Congrats To Frankj

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » September 14th, 2005, 10:43 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Sep 14 2005, 05:30 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> None of the things you mentioned provide any mechanical advantage to the erg. </td></tr></table> John, Racing and performance in sport is not all mechanical. Bio-physical and psychological advantages are much more important than the mechanical factors. Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] nkoffler · Post by **[old] nkoffler** » September 14th, 2005, 11:10 am

Paul (Canoeist) wrote "PS: I also use fans and C-Breeze whenever I can when the temperature is above 50F." I now remember you like to erg in a cool (downright cold to some) environment. If I were you, I would have put the erg in the wine cellar. As for John Rupp's attempt to mislead, I'm reminded of one of John McEnroe's many immortal quotes from Wimbledon: "Answer the QUESTION, jerk!" It appears that John (Rupp not McEnroe) has never erged on slides yet he fancies himself as the leading expert on them. Fascinating!! Neil

[old] Mark Keating · Post by **[old] Mark Keating** » September 14th, 2005, 11:52 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Sep 14 2005, 12:21 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What I am thinking of doing now is to get a RowPerfect, and divide my rowing time between the RP and C2. I feel that will be much more productive for my personal times on the erg. </td></tr></table> I heard that for best results, John, one should spend 100% of their rowing time on the RP. But it only works if you spend a corresponding amount of your forum time on their site as well.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » September 14th, 2005, 12:47 pm

What's with all this "Quacking", anyone remember the title of the Thread? Congratulations Frank! As for the discussion of differences on Slides, well let's just say it contains the usual level of accuracy from the usual sources.

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » September 14th, 2005, 4:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(PaulS @ Sep 14 2005, 11:47 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What's with all this "Quacking", anyone remember the title of the Thread? Congratulations Frank! As for the discussion of differences on Slides, well let's just say it contains the usual level of accuracy from the usual sources. </td></tr></table> Quack..quack. That's the sound of a Cali duck!!

[old] eparizeau · Post by **[old] eparizeau** » September 14th, 2005, 4:32 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Sep 14 2005, 12:30 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Ernie, None of the things you mentioned provide any mechanical advantage to the erg. But putting the erg on slides is well established to do so. The amount of advantage depends primarly on the weight of the rower, and also on style. A rower with poor style will find more difficulty being able to utilize the advantage and go faster on slides. A heavyweight rower can realize a 6% or more by using the slides with the erg. This has been shown many times by those who have tested the slides on their own, and posted the results in the forum. The lighter the rower, the closer to the weight of the erg on the slides, and the less the advantage. </td></tr></table> Well, John, under that narrow definition....I guess shouldn't use the chain oil they sent me with my erg. I like Pauls's reminder....this all started because I saw Frank's boat disappearing over the horizon a few weeks ago, & I thought those of us who admire significant accomplishment on the erg should know. So, I'll just repeat myself one more time... Frank - impressive row, man !

[old] FrancoisA · Post by **[old] FrancoisA** » September 14th, 2005, 6:42 pm

Congratulations Frank! It is performances like yours that keeps me motivated! John, why can't you rejoice in someone's accomplishment, instead of torpedoing almost every threads on this forum?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » September 14th, 2005, 7:48 pm

Francois, Using slides to go faster is not an accomplishment, any more than if I used a bicycle, called that an erg time and then put it in the rankings.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » September 14th, 2005, 7:52 pm

PaulF thought gaining weight and "thinking" would help him to go faster, i.e. his bio-physical and psychological factors, but found out his only improvement was the mechanical advantage of his slides. But, they're not really faster, right?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » September 14th, 2005, 7:54 pm

Francois, If there was a separate ranking for slides, then it would be an accomplishment, i.e. comparing to others using slides.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » September 14th, 2005, 7:57 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Mark Keating @ Sep 14 2005, 08:52 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I heard that for best results, John, one should spend 100% of their rowing time on the RP. But it only works if you spend a corresponding amount of your forum time on their site as well. [right] </td></tr></table> You should try that, Mark, as you're certainly not getting any results training with Paul Smith.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » September 14th, 2005, 7:59 pm

Whoops, correction, you're getting the same kinds of "results" that he does!

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » September 14th, 2005, 8:25 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Sep 14 2005, 04:59 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Whoops, correction, you're getting the same kinds of "results" that he does! </td></tr></table> John, That's right, I think that Mark is improving his performance, and that's the type of results that I tend to get. Do you have some problem with that? If you ever make it to the 90th percentile in your category I suppose you would understand what improved performance meant, but since you will not, as Spock would say, "We have no common frame of reference to discuss the matter". Do you ever wonder why you are not making any improvements, in spite of your efforts of extrememly high "mileage"?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » September 14th, 2005, 8:33 pm

Maybe he's still "working on his stroke".

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » September 15th, 2005, 6:14 am

First let me say a big Thank You! to everyone for the congratulations. I have been on vacation and was a little surprised by the activity on this thread. Now, especially for those unfamiliar with slides, let me explain my use of slides. First of all it is a little unusual for me to be trying for PBs or even SBs during the summer months. I do a lot of outdoor work around my house and it quite often involves repetitious and heavy work. This summer I spent time quite a bit of time clearing trees and laying block retaining walls. This summer I also organized and ran the Summer Handicap Series of races. This left me in better erging shape than usual. In August I celebrated my 60th birthday which put me in a new age group and an opportunity to take advantage of my peak erging condition. Since turning 60 I have tried to improve my SBs for the rankings. As for slides, one of the main reasons I use slides is to ease the stress on my back. As Rick said in one of his earlier posts, I do not find slides to be an advantage for racing or setting PBs. Most seasons I start out setting SBs using slides and end up beating those SBs later in the season minus the slides because I am faster without the slides. I have tried many times to prove to myself that slides are an advantage but in my experience they are just a bit different. I really find them enjoyable especially for a change of pace and to ease the pressure on my back but I don't find them to be the huge advantage that John describes. I row with a shorter, faster stroke on slides but really end up generating about the same amount of power which is what is measured by the erg. So those of you interested in slides please ignore John and use them whenever you wish. Frank PS: John, please stick to making comments on something you have actually experienced as you do a disservice to the entire indoor rowing community by your rantings.

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