The Two Types of Training

[Byron Drachman]

It was a warm, calm morning in this part of Michigan. The forecast was for windy this afternoon so we got out early. Why anybody who has a single and lives close to the river would stay indoors and slide back and forth, yanking a chain, is beyond me.

Click here to see the Grand River this morning.

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s59/ ... by_Deb.jpg

cue Ranger: I am going to race all the distances on the C2 before the end of the month, yakity, yakity

[ranger]

It was a warm, calm morning in this part of Michigan. The forecast was for windy this afternoon so we got out early. Why anybody who has a single and lives close to the river would stay indoors and slide back and forth, yanking a chain, is beyond me.

Click here to see the Grand River this morning.

http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s59/ ... by_Deb.jpg

cue Ranger: I am going to race all the distances on the C2 before the end of the month, yakity, yakity

Yes, the weather is beautiful.

I had my Peinert in the water yesterday morning but found that I have lost a wheel on my seat.

I'll have to give Peinert a call and see what can be done about repairs.

You're OTW.

I'm envious!

Amazingly early spring here.

Spring has arrived a month early.

ranger

[ranger]

Ranger: I am going to race all the distances on the C2 before the end of the month, yakity, yakity[

Indeed I am.

I think I will get significant pbs in all the distance events.

In these distance rows, I am now 3-6 seconds per 500m faster than I was in 2003.

6 seconds per 500m faster in a FM; 3 seconds per 500m faster in a 5K.

ranger

[ranger]

I rowed 4-seat in the Palm Beach 8 in San Diego, California (a week ago Sunday).

Nice.

Congrats.

But being an adult, I have a job--at least for another three weeks.

Then I am off from work, too--for five months.

You mentioned that I should come out East at the end of June.

Would June 15th-30th be O.K.?

I'll just bring my tent and camp--wherever.

A state park with showers would be the best arrangement, I think.

I look forward to it.

See you then.

ranger

[ranger]

Let me explain with an example.

*Citroen juggles with 5 knives at a time.

*I juggle with 3 knives at a time.

*I intend to increase that number to 5 knives.

*Therefore Citroen and I both juggle with 5 knives.

Can you see the logical fallacy in there? Well it's the same one you're committing. The difference between your 5k and Mike's 5k is that his exists, whereas yours is an intention. So you *intend* to pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike, but you don't *actually* pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike.

My 5K pb is 17:10.

For me, that's what "exists."

My project has been to get better.

We'll soon see whether I have been successful

5000 16:18.4 32 Dan Staite L M GBR 2006 PM3/PM4 verification code
5000 16:40.5 46 Kent Timm L M USA 2005 Historical record*
5000 16:43.4 21 Nicholas English L M GBR 2000 Historical record*
5000 16:47.0 53 Rod Freed L M USA 2003 Historical record*
5000 17:01.1 17 Chris Mollison L M BGR 2001 Historical record*
5000 17:26.3 60 Brian Bailey L M GBR 2006 Witnessed at public club
5000 18:52.7 71 Roger Bangay L M GBR 2009 PM3/PM4 verification code
5000 20:32.2 12 Nick Johnson L M USA 2008 Witnessed at public club
5000 20:45.6 80 Dean Smith L M USA 2007 PM3/PM4 verification code

ranger

[mikvan52]

My 5K pb is 17:10.

For me, that's what "exists."

I see this from the HWT 2002 rankings:

1 Andrew Hall 51 Southport CT USA 16:51.0 IND
2 John Cartwright-Tickle 55 Wareham GBR 16:59.9 IND
3 Rich Cureton 50 Ann Arbor MI USA 17:18.0 IND

Was your 17:10 a hwt performance from the same era (9 years ago)?

[mikvan52]

I rowed 4-seat in the Palm Beach 8 in San Diego, California (a week ago Sunday).

Mike,

What's the deal with your club putting lightweights in the boiler room? Even at over 170#, I was always bow or 2 seat. Nothing wrong with it I suppose, but it is just not the usual practice.

Bob S.

I was a sub...

We had rowers from 70 down to 35 years old with various strengths. The bow four seemed fairly balanced power-wise. Our six man was the strongest in the whole boat (Dana Schmunk)

Silver 2002 World Championships w/ Dan Beery in the 2+ So they really didn't need to much help on port...
At any rate, out of the bow four I think I compared favorably when looking at watts/kilo.

2002 World Championships - USRowing
USA, Daniel Beery, Dana Schmunk, Joe Manion (c), 6:50.60; 3. Australia, 6:53.77; 4. Romania, 6:55.27; 5. Spain, 6:57.63; 6. Italy, 7:18.35. Women's Four ...
http://www.usrowing.org/News_Media/.../02results.aspx - Cached - Similar

[mikvan52]

Rich:
Why no comment on the suggestion that you post a workout consisting of doing an easier 5k (IND_V) with a HR monitor?
(INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT A HWT 2002 PERFORMANCE (IND))

(1:51 PACE / MODERATE SPM)....
~would be most interesting if you programmed ten 500m splits.....

"runaway"
-Monty Python

or, as it is written (and performed)
"may we come up and have a look" (at your Holy Grail 5k capabilities?)

[ranger]

Let me explain with an example.

*Citroen juggles with 5 knives at a time.

*I juggle with 3 knives at a time.

*I intend to increase that number to 5 knives.

*Therefore Citroen and I both juggle with 5 knives.

Can you see the logical fallacy in there? Well it's the same one you're committing. The difference between your 5k and Mike's 5k is that his exists, whereas yours is an intention. So you *intend* to pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike, but you don't *actually* pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike.

You don't get better by racing.

You don't even get good by racing.

Mike's 17:50 for 5K is just not very good.

So the question is: Can he get better?

Answer: Doesn't seem so.

His technique is great; his training is fine.

He doesn't have the aerobic capacity.

ranger

[ranger]

Let me explain with an example.

*Citroen juggles with 5 knives at a time.

*I juggle with 3 knives at a time.

*I intend to increase that number to 5 knives.

*Therefore Citroen and I both juggle with 5 knives.

Can you see the logical fallacy in there? Well it's the same one you're committing. The difference between your 5k and Mike's 5k is that his exists, whereas yours is an intention. So you *intend* to pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike, but you don't *actually* pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike.

You don't get better by racing.

You don't even get good by racing.

Mike's 17:50 for 5K is just not very good.

So the question is: Can he get better?

Answer: Doesn't seem so.

His technique is great; his training is fine.

He doesn't have the aerobic capacity.

ranger

[ranger]

Let me explain with an example.

*Citroen juggles with 5 knives at a time.

*I juggle with 3 knives at a time.

*I intend to increase that number to 5 knives.

*Therefore Citroen and I both juggle with 5 knives.

Can you see the logical fallacy in there? Well it's the same one you're committing. The difference between your 5k and Mike's 5k is that his exists, whereas yours is an intention. So you *intend* to pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike, but you don't *actually* pull a 5k at the same pace and HR as Mike.

You don't get better by racing.

You don't even get good by racing.

Mike's 17:50 for 5K is just not very good.

So the question is: Can he get better?

Answer: Doesn't seem so.

His technique is great; his training is fine.

He doesn't have the aerobic capacity.

ranger

[ranger]

My 5K pb is 17:10.

For me, that's what "exists."

I see this from the HWT 2002 rankings:

1 Andrew Hall 51 Southport CT USA 16:51.0 IND
2 John Cartwright-Tickle 55 Wareham GBR 16:59.9 IND
3 Rich Cureton 50 Ann Arbor MI USA 17:18.0 IND

Was your 17:10 a hwt performance from the same era (9 years ago)?

Fall of 2003, as a lightweight.

I was a couple months shy of 53 years old.

Shortly after, I pulled a lwt 6:29 and 6:28 for 2K, so that 5K should have been at least 17:00.

No, that's not 6:50 for 2K.

That's 6:28.

So my focus was on the 2K.

I was setting world records, and was the WR-holder.

I didn't race 5K enough to put my pb where it should have been.

That's old news now, though.

That's when I didn't know how to row.

I am quite a bit better now.

My target for 5K now is 16:30.

1:39

If I can rate 32 spm for 5k, as I used to, as I think I can still, it's in the bag.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Is the last couple of weeks in June a good time to come out East?

If so, I will start planning for that.

I am sure that I could benefit from some OTW coaching, if you are willing to give me some pointers.

Fun stuff.

I'll just bring my tent and camp out.

No expense at all.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

You seem to think that 5K is something distinct from 2K.

It isn't.

5K ia done at 2K + 5.

So, your 1:42.5 2K translates to a 1:47.5 5K.

No mystery in this.

My 1:40.2 2K, however unprepared, translates to a 1:45.2 5K.

When I am fully trained, I'll do 2K at 1:34.

That translates to a 1:39 5K.

Mike.

The problem is not your training or your technique.

It's your aerobic capacity.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Mike--

Is the last couple of weeks in June a good time to come out East?

Bring your tent, your boat, your seat, your wheels to your seat, your ball bearings, your muscle grease, and your humility.


Are you coming for paid lessons in our neighborhood (or Craftsbury??)? You do know that I recommend Buzz at the link below.

We can also go get our aerobic capacities checked (on my dollar) (I'm not kidding: I laugh only because I'm making an effort to call your bluff)

w/o the lessons scheme: Should you want to row together we might be able to meet fairly often on the river...

I hope we can work something out.

I think three days with Buzz would do any aspiring sculler good.
See:
http://rowskills.com/master.html