The Two Types of Training

[rjw]

Saw 180 bpm last week, not even working very hard.

Rich - this is such a bogus statement I can't believe that you would even say it!

If your AT was 172, which it certainly isn't, rowing at 180 IS working hard.

Just go get it lab tested then you can factually say what it is. However, in much the same way you wont be doing distance trials, you can blather on about ~if I could do X, etc., etc.

[rjw]

Oh I see, my 2k+5.3 is slow;

but Benton's 2k+13.2 shows he's the greatest, not slow at all.

In fact if he did the HM even slower, this would indicate that he was even faster and greater!

John - this indicates that you could erg a lot faster 2k if you would have worked at it not that you have/had super human endurance.

[hjs]

Oh I see, my 2k+5.3 is slow;

but Benton's 2k+13.2 shows he's the greatest, not slow at all.

In fact if he did the HM even slower, this would indicate that he was even faster and greater!

John - this indicates that you could erg a lot faster 2k if you would have worked at it not that you have/had super human endurance.

I bet he didn,t try really on the 2k, he is a real endurance man he is not interested is the short stuff. That 2k of his is absolute not a 100% effort, I bet he didn,t even breath hard after that attempt

[ranger]

Saw 180 bpm last week, not even working very hard.

Rich - this is such a bogus statement I can't believe that you would even say it!

If your AT was 172, which it certainly isn't, rowing at 180 IS working hard.

Just go get it lab tested then you can factually say what it is. However, in much the same way you wont be doing distance trials, you can blather on about ~if I could do X, etc., etc.

172 bpm is top-end UT1.

I can row for 90min at 172 bpm.

ranger

[chgoss]

Saw 180 bpm last week, not even working very hard.

Rich - this is such a bogus statement I can't believe that you would even say it!If your AT was 172, which it certainly isn't, rowing at 180 IS working hard.Just go get it lab tested then you can factually say what it is. However, in much the same way you wont be doing distance trials, you can blather on about ~if I could do X, etc., etc.

172 bpm is top-end UT1.

I can row for 90min at 172 bpm.

Translation: Rich is saying that he can erg for 90 minutes, taking breaks where his heart rate would drop to some lower rate, and not have his HR exceed 172.
Rich is NOT saying that he can row for 90 minutes straight, with his HR staying level at 172 for the entire duration (never dropping below 170).

[jliddil]

Translation: Rich is saying that he can erg for 90 minutes, taking breaks where his heart rate would drop to some lower rate, and not have his HR exceed 172.
Rich is NOT saying that he can row for 90 minutes straight, with his HR staying level at 172 for the entire duration (never dropping below 170).

Man glad you can make sense of this

[ranger]

Rich is NOT saying that he can row for 90 minutes straight, with his HR staying level at 172 for the entire duration (never dropping below 170).

I am not doing that right now, because I am just coaxing my HR up there.

But, sure, that's what I am capable of.

I should be there by the end of the month.

You know, there's that thing called "training"?



ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Hamster heart: average 450 bpm, average size 60 grams.
Human heart: average 60 bpm, average size 90000 grams.

In Rangerworld, where 1 bpm = 1 second of aerobic capacity, a 60-year-old hamster should be 390 seconds of pace over 90 minutes than Ranger is. Since our hero can row for 90' at 1:44 pace r26, our hamster should be 6:30/500m faster. That's a pace of -282 seconds per 500m, or -4:42 pace. Astounding! If my maths are correct, while Ranger is thrashing out his HM, the hamster will row a negative 9574.5 m. No doubt tunneling backwards in time, and beating even the Danish LWs along the way.

Here's an apposite image:



"A hamster brain and a human brain with three computer-generated intermediates to show the differential scaling of brain regions as brain size increases in mammals"

[johnlvs2run]

Oh I see, my 2k+5.3 is slow;

but Benton's 2k+13.2 shows he's the greatest, not slow at all.

In fact if he did the HM even slower, this would indicate that he was even faster and greater!

John - this indicates that you could erg a lot faster 2k if you would have worked at it not that you have/had super human endurance.

I did prepare for the 2k, and did more 2k trials than halfmarathon trials.

I bet he didn,t try really on the 2k, he is a real endurance man he is not interested is the short stuff. That 2k of his is absolute not a 100% effort, I bet he didn,t even breath hard after that attempt

I did the 2k as fast as possible. The HM was harder but only because it was longer.

Percentage-wise this shows that I have 3 times the endurance of GB!

But of course that's not as good, because it is faster - not slower.

If it was slower then it would be faster.

[hjs]

Percentage-wise this shows that I have 3 times the endurance of GB!

But of course that's not as good, because it is faster - not slower.

If it was slower then it would be faster.

sure

Graham Benton 34 Reading GBR 1:09:59.3 IND_V

this 139.5 effort is indeed three time worse then your mindblowing 157.7



You did run a lot better marathon though

[chgoss]

Saw 180 bpm last week, not even working very hard.

Rich - this is such a bogus statement I can't believe that you would even say it!

If your AT was 172, which it certainly isn't, rowing at 180 IS working hard..

Translation: "I saw 180bpm briefly as I nearly passed out from lack of oxygen to the brain. BUT, that doesnt count as "working hard" because we know my max heart rate is 190, and 180 is sufficiently below that to not count as "working hard""

Rich is NOT saying that getting his HR to 180 the other day was "easy" in the sense that he could have held a conversation at the same time.

[snowleopard]

Saw 180 bpm last week, not even working very hard.

Rich - this is such a bogus statement I can't believe that you would even say it!

If your AT was 172, which it certainly isn't, rowing at 180 IS working hard..

Translation: "I saw 180bpm briefly as I nearly passed out from lack of oxygen to the brain. BUT, that doesnt count as "working hard" because we know my max heart rate is 190, and 180 is sufficiently below that to not count as "working hard""

Rich is NOT saying that getting his HR to 180 the other day was "easy" in the sense that he could have held a conversation at the same time.

Makes perfect sense taken in the context of someone who claims they can do 1000 standing ab' wheels (with perfect form) and skip double unders for 2 hours.

OK, I'm exaggerating. But hey, I'm not the only one.

[chgoss]

Saw 180 bpm last week, not even working very hard.

Rich - this is such a bogus statement I can't believe that you would even say it!

If your AT was 172, which it certainly isn't, rowing at 180 IS working hard..

Translation: "I saw 180bpm briefly as I nearly passed out from lack of oxygen to the brain. BUT, that doesnt count as "working hard" because we know my max heart rate is 190, and 180 is sufficiently below that to not count as "working hard""

Rich is NOT saying that getting his HR to 180 the other day was "easy" in the sense that he could have held a conversation at the same time.

Makes perfect sense taken in the context of someone who claims they can do 1000 standing ab' wheels (with perfect form) and skip double unders for 2 hours.

OK, I'm exaggerating. But hey, I'm not the only one.

Rich ALWAYS uses the word "can" in the sense that it is synonymous with "could", or "capable of".
Rich NEVER uses the word "can" in the sense that it expresses present tense capability.

[aharmer]

Did you notice that he ignored my post about his double unders lie? I'm still waiting for the video of a 59 year old man doing 6-7 minutes straight of double unders. I imagine videotaping something like this goes against his training principles in some way...maybe he's capable of doing 90 minutes of double unders, so showing 6-7 minutes is beneath him.

[BrianStaff]

Rich is NOT saying that he can row for 90 minutes straight, with his HR staying level at 172 for the entire duration (never dropping below 170).

I am not doing that right now, because I am just coaxing my HR up there.

here is what you said...

I can row for 90min at 172 bpm.

"can row" is the present tense ~ so if "you are not doing that right now" then you wrote a blatant lie

You are such a low-life