The Two Types of Training

[Citroen]

Rich: what is the problem with misattributing posts???? Are you intentionally doing this?

Yes he is. It's a nasty habit he's developed some time since 2003.

[jliddil]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_selling Note the date today

[Citroen]

Wrong. If your HR really is stably below your AT, then you should be able to row a HM at AT today. If you can't, it's because your HR *isn't* stable at that level. One or the other can be true, but not both.

You're forgetting Rangerillogic, where truth tables simply don't hold sway and XOR is fully inclusive.

[PaulH]

Sure, if I were rowing a full HM right now at my anaerobic threshold.

Well what's stopping you - your heart is stable at that rate, we know you can exercise for 4 hours in a stretch, what else is there?

[ranger]

Well what's stopping you - your heart is stable at that rate, we know you can exercise for 4 hours in a stretch, what else is there?

Nothing at all, other than easing the effort some by getting used to the task rather than just jumping into it and busting a gut.

I don't know about others, but I don't usually row for a HM at my anaerobic threshold, even if I row a HM.

That's rowing a HM as hard as you can possibly do it.

That's a pretty extreme effort that you might want to prepare for, no?

I don't know about you, but I like to have my trials and races just emerge naturally from my training.

So, in this case, I'll just row longer and longer at 1:43 @ 29 spm untill, one day, I just do it for a HM.

To me, that's the most pleasant way to train, and heck, I am in this to enjoy myself.

Nothing else to be in it for, given that I am 60 years old.

ranger

[ranger]

How many leaders in the rankings at 500,1k & 2k are also on the list above?

Thanks for making my point.

Steve Krum is the 55s hwt hammer and has the best 55s hwt 2K this year by 10 seconds.

Steve Geary is the 50s lwt 500m WR-holder.

And so forth.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

(snip) Nothing else to be in it for, given that I am 60 years old.
ranger

Umm, no you're not.

[Citroen]

Nothing else to be in it for, given that I am 60 years old.

It may be April Fools but you're not fooling us with that.
YOU ARE STILL 59 YOU DAFT OLD COOT.

[Nosmo]

Ranger is an superb age group natural talent, but he mostly races poorly and always has an excuse and is never "prepared". .....

Even though I have had the best 55s lwt 2K now for two years, ...

That's a pretty harsh statement about the other rowers in the age and weight division....

No it is a complimentary statement about your natural ability but a harsh statement about your mental state, judgement, and intelligence.

Ranger rowing well: 6:41, 6:41
Ranger rowing mediocre: 6:48, 6:50
Ranger rowing poorly: 7:11, 7:04, 7:xx, DNF, DNF, DNF, DNF, DNS, DNS, DNS, DNS (plus several others I don't recall)

That is a record of someone who mostly races poorly.

[ranger]

For the best 2K rowers, who have both balanced abilities and balanced training, the 2K and things like 60min are related by formula.

60min is done at 2K + 10.

For instance, Steve Krum has done 17K for 60min and he pulled 6:25 to win gold in the 55s hwt race at WIRC 2010.

His 60min pace (1:46) is his 2K pace (1:36) + 10.

Mike VB has done 2K at 1:41 pace and 60min at 1:51.

Same result.

In 2003, I usually pulled in and around 6:32/1:38 for 2K.

I pulled 16.7K/1:48 for 60min.

Same result.

At his best, Eskild pulled 1:30 for 2K and 18K/1:40 for 60min.

Same result.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Well, for starters there's Graham Benton, absolute WR holder at 60'. His 18224m at age 34 was 1:38.8 pace. His 2k at age 34 was 5:42.5, 1:25.6 pace. I make that 60' at 2k + 13.2.

[mikvan52]

I am already the best 55s lwt erger--by far

"Science" ? It's your claim about being the best lwt 55-59 that is wrong.
Go ahead and post and IND_Vs ... 5 k and above... I'll beat any.
None of my performances this year in that range were anything more than sub-max time trials.


In order to be the best in the current year you have to have a performance to "hang your hat on"
How many distances does ranger have in his column? (One)

So, Rich, you are(at) #1...

500m light Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Michael van Beuren

1k light Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Rolf Meek

2k light Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Richard Cureton

5k light Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Bob Willis

6k light Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Steinar Fredheim

10k lights Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Michael van Beuren

30 min lights Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Michael van Beuren

60 min lights Time trial best(not necessarily racing)
55-59 = Michael van Beuren

1/2 Marathon
= Chris Gibson

Full marathon
= Mark Huff


I stand by a prediction: These standings will not change much by the end of the year (April 30) {unless someone stealth-posts many performances long after they are rowed}

[ranger]

No it is a complimentary statement about your natural ability but a harsh statement about your mental state, judgement, and intelligence.

You're blind and deaf, dude.

Are you a mole or something?

Nothing there to keep on a conversation with, that's for sure.

So I won't repy to you again.

Don't you get tired of your dark silent place?

Not a very nice life to choose, when there are so many better alternatives.

ranger

[ranger]

Well, for starters there's Graham Benton, absolute WR holder at 60'. His 18224m at age 34 was 1:38.8 pace. His 2k at age 34 was 5:42.5, 1:25.6 pace. I make that 60' at 2k + 13.2.

Sure, GB's rowing is certainly unbalanced toward power and foundational rowing rather than distance rowing.

He doesn't row his distance efforts at 10 MPS, but at low rates.

In other words, he never does any real distance rowing at all.

He just does foundational rowing.

That's a _massive_ imbalance.

He never learned to row with a light stroke and substantial rate over long distances.

Was that one of his problems OTW, too?

Could he rate up in his 1x?

The better OTW rowers rate as high as 38 spm for 2K in a 1x.

What did GB rate in his 1x for 2K?

ranger

[ranger]

I stand by a prediction

Is this the kind of predictions you make to yourself when you race, too?

Good luck with it.

It ain't over till it's over, Mike.

Rabbits generally fade.

Their show is superficial.

Turtles generally win.

Their show is substantial.

ranger