The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

It's time for me to leave this thread for a while as it's clear that you have no intention whatsoever of posting any of your alleged distance trials this year or any other.

Well, that's my intention, but if I don't, who cares.

I'll just keep rowing, 1:43 @ 29 spm, day in and day out, year in and year out.

Great training.

I am already the best 55s lwt erger--by far.

Next year, I will be 60.

No 60s erger this year came within 20 seconds of my 2K this year, even though I didn't even prepare for it.

Sharpening alone will get me a dozen more seconds.

I think this distance rowing, 1:43 @ 29 spm, will get me another dozen.

That brings the full count of my 2K next year compared to other 60s lwts to about 45 seconds.

That's a lot.

ranger

[ranger]

Are you disputing the fact that your monitor records what you do on a daily basis?

Indeed I do.

The PM4 has no way to record work on relaxation and habituation, or effectiveness and efficiency, as it is done in training.

It can only record the _result_ of this training, once this work is complete.

But that result is not the record of the training itself.

The training can take weeks and weeks, months and months, or even years and years.

The PM4 reading of time over distance rowed is the record of a race.

Different matter entirely.

If you just race your training, you do no training at all, no work on relaxation and habituation, effectiveness and efficiency.

So you never improve.

You just get worse.

Racing does nothing at all to improve your 2K.

ranger

[chgoss]

If we're all so wrong about what you're doing then post it.

Post what?

...

Rich: what is the problem with misattributing posts???? Are you intentionally doing this?

I did not post that, please change it to aharmer

[chgoss]

Are you disputing the fact that your monitor records what you do on a daily basis?

Indeed I do. The PM4 has no way to record work on relaxation and habituation, or effectiveness and efficiency, as it is done in training.

If all those gains in relaxation, habituation, "rhythmicity", etc.. dont result in covering more distance in the same time/SPM of what benefit is it?

Are you looking for style points?

[jliddil]

That's because anyone trying it won't be standing for very long. They'll be horizontal, being pumped full of embalming fluid....

My point exactly.

[PaulH]

When I am doing 1:43 @ 29 spm, my HR is stably below my anaerobic threshold.

When I am fully trained up for it, I can row a HM at my anaerobic threshold.

Wrong. If your HR really is stably below your AT, then you should be able to row a HM at AT today. If you can't, it's because your HR *isn't* stable at that level. One or the other can be true, but not both.

[jliddil]

When I am doing 1:43 @ 29 spm, my HR is stably below my anaerobic threshold.

When I am fully trained up for it, I can row a HM at my anaerobic threshold.

Rice University:
"The AT, also known as the lactate threshold, is the point where lactate (lactic acid) begins to accumulate in the bloodstream."

Concept2
"The anaerobic threshold (AT) (also called the lactate threshold) is the level of exertion where your body must switch from aerobic metabolism to anaerobic metabolism."

So you are saying you can do a HM while accumulating lactic acid from the first stroke? Amazing

[lancs]

I am already the best 55s lwt erger--by far

..other than Roy Brook, the current WR holder.

Had to break my leave from this thread to ensure that the occasional shred of fact makes it through..

[mikvan52]

I am already the best 55s lwt erger--by far

..other than Roy Brook, the current WR holder.

and in the current year?
the following list includes lightweights

As the year draws to a close: I'd like to acknowledge those who did pieces and logged them.

I don’t think that the list will change much. We’ll see. I’ll save this to a Word file and update it on May 1.



Highlights of Distance Rowing in the 2010 year
for 50-59 men divisions 5k, 10k,30', 60'




5k lights
now winning
50-54 = Greg Trahar
55-59 = Bob Willis


10k lights
now winning
50-54 = Greg Trahar
55-59 = Michael van Beuren


30 min lights
now winning
50-54 = Steve Geary
55-59 = Michael van Beuren


60 min lights
now winning
50-54 = Greg Trahar
55-59 = Michael van Beuren


5k heavies
now winning
50-54 = Steve Krum
55-59 = James Crawford


10k heavies
now winning
50-54 = Steve Krum
55-59 = George Perrin


30 min heavies
now winning
50-54 = Steve Krum
55-59 = Steve Roedde


60 min lheavies
now winning
50-54 = James Crawford
55-59 = Steve Roedde

Two questions:
1. How many leaders in the rankings at 500,1k & 2k are also on the list above?
2. “Where’s Waldo?”

[BrianStaff]

Rich: what is the problem with misattributing posts???? Are you intentionally doing this?

I did not post that, please change it to aharmer

He has done that at least 4 times over the last week or so. I wonder what technique he is using to cut/paste quotes because he's getting wrong on too many occasions.

One can speculate what the prof would say if his students did that.

[ranger]

I am already the best 55s lwt erger--by far

..other than Roy Brook, the current WR holder.

Had to break my leave from this thread to ensure that the occasional shred of fact makes it through..

Roy hasn't been the best 55s erger for two years.

Right now, at 58, like Mike VB, he would struggle with 6:50, if he were rowing at all.

When my training is complete, I'll be _waaaay_ under 6:38.

I'm in no rush.

ranger

[ranger]

As the year draws to a close

There is a full month left in the indoor rowing season.

_Lots_ of time, both to train and do trials.

If you do two sessions a day, as many do, that's 60 sessions.

Outside of the FM, it only takes 15min-75min to do a distance trial.

And there are only six distances--5K, 6K, 30min, 10K, 60min, HM.

ranger

[ranger]

if your HR really is stably below your AT, then you should be able to row a HM at AT today.

Sure, if I were rowing a full HM right now at my anaerobic threshold.

That is what I am working toward in my distance rowing.

When I get there, sure, that's what will happen.

My heart rate has been coming up nicely.

If I row 1:43 @ 29 spm, it comes right up.

So, that's what I will try to do as much as possible from now on--for longer and longer periods.

ranger

[Citroen]

Unless you have some method of turning off the monitor so it will not record, there is a record of what you do.

Simple to do that, pull the 2.5mm (3/32″) TSR jack from the bottom of the PM4 and it won't show anything, not a sausage, bugger all. (It's kind of like the amount of useful information in a Ranger posting.)

[ranger]

I'd like to acknowledge those who did pieces and logged them.

Why?

They are already "acknowledged" in the rankings.

And this is a training thread.

Racing doesn't have anything to do with training.

So "acknowledging" them here is both superfluous and inappropriate.

What is important for training is to know how these folks remained so slow even though they trained hard.



Then we could avoid that type of training and consider better alternatives.

Science also progresses, for the most part, by eliminating dead ends.

ranger