The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

reporting time/distance at that pace is intolerable, it stops you from working hard

No, it doesn't stop you from working hard.

It stops you from learning how to be efficient and effective.

It stops you from learning how to row well.

So it makes you slow.

You work like hell--but don't go anywhere.

Why?

You never learned to row well.

You just learned to work hard.

ranger

[PaulH]

Rowing well, with my HR riding, steady state, at 172 bpm, I'll hit all of my distance targets--routinely.

An anaerobic threshold of 172 bpm and the ability to row right at that threshold for long periods (e.g., 1-2 hours).

There, that wasn't so hard was it? So you've hit your target for 5k, 6k, 30 minutes, 10k and the hour event, with a possible on the half marathon and only the full marathon left to knock off in the distance events.. It would be great if you could remind me what those targets were, just for the record. But in the meantime please accept my congratulations! I assume you're focusing on the sprints for the rest of the season?

[ranger]

I didn't say that I had raced the events and hit my targets.

I said that, in my training, I am rowing right at them.

You will never hit your targets if you race your training, as MIke VB illustrated this year.

Doing timed "pieces" for your training is just racing.

You can't race fast unless you have developed the capacities you need to race fast.

Racing fast doesn't develop those capacities.

ranger

[chgoss]

Timing your UT rowing sessions distracts from its central business--working hard and rowing well

reporting time/distance at that pace is intolerable, it stops you from working hard

No, it doesn't stop you from working hard.

hunh?

btw, 10,000/25 = 400..

[ranger]

10,000/25 = 400

Duh.

But 10K/35 isn't.

ranger

[PaulH]

I didn't say that I had raced the events and hit my targets.

I said that, in my training, I am rowing right at them.

And one of your targets is the ability to row for 1-2 hours at a heart rate that will let you hit all your distance targets. It's inconceivable that you row for 2 hours a day, have the ability to row for 1-2 hours at such a heart rate, and yet haven't even covered 5k at that heart rate - if nothing else you couldn't possibly know you have that heart rate ability.

So I apologize for over-egging your achievements. Could you just remind us what the 5k target that you've already achieved is? Or is your knowledge of being able to row at 172bpm for 1-2 hours based on having seen 172bpm while rowing?

[chgoss]

I didn't say that I had [timed my distances and achieved my goals].

I said that, in my training, I [frequently row stretches at a rate/pace that if I was able to maintain for the entire distance would result in a distance/time that achieved my goal].

You will never hit your targets if you [log the your distance/times], as MIke VB illustrated this year.

[recording your distances/times in ] training is just racing. hunh?

You can't race fast unless you have developed the capacities you need to race fast. yes

[recording your distances/times] doesn't develop those capacities. hunh?

recording your distances/times doesnt mean you are going at max... it only means that for you, because you cant tolerate recording anything that isnt going to generate awe.. see?

[whp4]

I didn't say that I had raced the events and hit my targets.

I said that, in my training, I am rowing right at them.

Yep, you are rowing right at them, just like you'll be rowing right at Mike vB's stern in any race -- you frothing up a storm, and the target pulling away into the distance, never to be reached by the likes of you!

[chgoss]

10,000/25 = 400

Duh.

But 10K/35 isn't.

ranger

you ran 250 "15K-30K training runs" a year, from the time you were 10 years old, to when you were 45?

sure,,, ok...

[whp4]

anything but talking about well documented training

Why in the world would you want to "document" your UT training?

Over my 25 years of running, I must have run 10,000 15K-30K training runs, but in those thousands of sessions, I never did any of them against a clock so that I could "document" them.

10,000/25 = 400

Duh.

But 10K/35 isn't.

Well, then why did you say "Over my 25 years of running"? Can't you even keep your lies and fabrications consistent for an hour or two?

[mikvan52]

This is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to ranger-evasiveness:

anything but talking about well documented training

Why in the world would you want to "document" your UT training?

(I only include the 1st sentence of RIch's response.)

We don't even know that you (Rich) are indeed at UT as it has not been documented (ever)!
Also: And even if it is indeed UT: Why not document it? At least once in a while you could (if you chose) write down distance/pace/spm/bpm all at once...
But you don't...
The "fans" of this thread secretly love your behavior... Keep it up. They like being jerked around so they can complain.

I repeat: .. this thread is dead in as much as it has nothing to analyze when it comes to training the erg...
The repetition of all current content is mind-numbing.
"If I's" & "predicts" just doesn't do it for me anymore

[Citroen]

Rich - you so freely throw out numbers without even paying attention to the math - that is 400 runs a year. I for one think you are stretchin the truth here

It works perfectly OK in Rangerland using Rangermath and a Rangerclockcalendar. Remember that the length of the second, minute, hour and day are different due to the time dilation effects of Rangerphysics.

The time dilation effects also account for the variable, incomprehensible HR bands and Ranger's ability to get a HR of 190 bpr (beats per Rangerminute).

[ranger]

Could you just remind us what the 5k target that you've already achieved is?

I won't achieve it until I race it.

I haven't raced it yet.

I am just training.

Training determines racing, not the other way around.

ranger

[PaulH]

Could you just remind us what the 5k target that you've already achieved is?

I won't achieve it until I race it.

I haven't raced it yet.

I am just training.

Training determines racing, not the other way around.

ranger

Again, you *must* have covered that distance in training (not racing) for you to have hit your targets. Don't be ashamed of that, it's something to be proud of! So what was the target?

[ranger]

"If I's" & "predicts" just doesn't do it for me anymore

How about this one?

If you still had an anaerobic threshold of 172 bpm, you'd pull 16:30 for 5K.

ranger