The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

You'll produce fantastic times and sessions on and off the water.

But when there's anyone else around, you'll lose.

Hardly.

When I am fully trained, the gap between my 2K on the erg and the 2K on the erg of the other 60s lwts will now be in the range of a half a minute to forty-five seconds.

I will now be training in such as way that I will be race ready at all times.

This year, no 60s lwt has come close to pulling 7:00 for 2K:

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 60-69 | Current 2010 Season

1 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
2 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
3 Gregory Brock 62 Santa Cruz CA USA 7:03.9 IND
4 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
4 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
6 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
7 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
8 Roger Prowse 65 GBR 7:10.3 RACE
9 Rick Bayko 62 Newburyport MA USA 7:12.5 RACE
10 Michael Brownjohn 61 Totalfitness4u Essex GBR 7:12.8 RACE
11 John Exley 62 Oxford City Athletic Club GBR 7:13.3 RACE

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

Technique is now _very_ good, and great training for my OTW efforts.
I am now squaring up at the catch, rolling up on my toes, sitting up tall and straight, sequencing my levers, accelerating the handle, finishing completely, recovering my hands quickly, sweeping the handle across my flat knees before breaking my legs and going down the slide for the next catch.

Squaring up at the catch on your ergometer?

Yep.

ranger

Obviously you do not know what squaring up means.

[Citroen]

Obviously you do not know what squaring up means.

He claims he's a NOVICE, perhaps he needs to read this: http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/rowing/sccbc/novice.html

[snowleopard]

This year, no 60s lwt has come close to pulling 7:00 for 2K:

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 60-69 | Current 2010 Season

1 Hugh Pite 65 Sidney BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE

That's closer to 2K than you are to Roy Brook's WR

And heck, the guy is 65. Good for him

[PaulH]

They aren't predictions.

They are goals, targets.

And so far so good.

I am rowing right at my goals/targets--on all counts.

No you're not. You've made all sorts of predictions... sorry, goals/targets, about what pace you'll do for what distance. And yet you haven't done any of those distances, have you? I'm happy to be proven wrong, though - take any of your 'if...then...' goals/targets that you've mentioned in the last few dozen pages and tell us how you rower right at it. I won't even ask for a screenshot, your word will suffice.

[ranger]

I'm happy to be proven wrong, though

No, you're not, but so it goes.

You'll be proven wrong anyway.

I have said repeatedly: I will race all of the races this month, before the end of the 2010 indoor rowing season, April 30.

My HR is now riding, easily and naturally, at my anaerobic threshold.

That is what you need for distance trials, at least, minus the peripheries, 5K/6K and FM.

HM, 60min, 10K, and 30min are done at top-end UT1.

5K and 6K are AT.

FM is low/middlin' UT1.

ranger

[KevJGK]

Before the end of the month, I will do all of the races, from 500m to FM--all as a lwt.

I will do them IND_V and enter them in the 50s lwt rankings.

Just out of curiosity, why did you post that?

[chgoss]

Rich asserts that the act of logging the distance/time transforms the session from "training" to "racing".

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Timing yourself, day in and day out, tends to undermine all of these things, switching your focus to getting a good time when you are training...
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I (and everyone else who's training logs I read) have NO problem disclosing slow, recovery days.. I suspect that your reluctance to post any workout that wont be received with shock and awe is what prevents you from logging your erging. You dont have trouble quantifying your bicycle/stepper/ab roller/situps/rope skipping do you? It's just the erging...

Timing your UT rowing sessions distracts from its central business--working hard and rowing well. Timing your cross-training is fine.
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Thanks for getting a good laugh for me this morning
- reporting pace is critical, only "good" SPI can be tolerated
- reporting time/distance at that pace is intolerable, it stops you from working hard (hunh?)
- reporting details of bicycle/stepper/ab roller/situps/rope skipping is good, until someone says "jeeze, that sure sounds like a lot,, can you post a screenshot/video?" at which point the request for the report is noted as "perverse", or a video is produced showing you barely performing 10% of the original stated item.

how can you even make these arguments with a straight face?

Dont know what we'd do w/out you rich!

[PaulH]

I have said repeatedly: I will race all of the races this month, before the end of the 2010 indoor rowing season, April 30.

I'm not asking you to race anything. You've said the various timings you've given (e.g. a FM at 1:48) are "goals/targets" rather than predictions, and you've also said that you're rowing at your "goals/targets". Hence you must have done at least one of these pieces. All I'm asking is that you tell us which one it is you've done.

[rjw]

Over my 25 years of running, I must have run 10,000 15K-30K training runs, but in those thousands of sessions, I never did any of them against a clock so that I could "document" them.

Rich - you so freely throw out numbers without even paying attention to the math - that is 400 runs a year. I for one think you are stretchin the truth here

[ranger]

ake any of your 'if...then...' goals/targets that you've mentioned in the last few dozen pages and tell us how you rower right at it

I just needed to get my HR riding, steady state, at my anaerobic threshold.

It now is.

Rowing well, with my HR riding, steady state, at 172 bpm, I'll hit all of my distance targets--routinely.

I am not alone in this.

Any 165 lb. lightweight would, regardless of their age.

Those 165 lb. lightweights who can't either (1) don't row well, (2) have a lower anaerobic threshold, or (3) can't row for long distances, steady state, with their HR at their anaerobic threshold.

Most 60s lwts can't do it because of all of these things.

Most elite 60s lwts can't do it because of (1) and (2).

Mike VB might be the exception.

But he can't do it, either, because of (2).

Mike's technique and fitness are fine.

But he doesn't have the aerobic capacity.

ranger

[mrfit]

Ranger ranking distance countdown:
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[PaulH]

ake any of your 'if...then...' goals/targets that you've mentioned in the last few dozen pages and tell us how you rower right at it

I just needed to get my HR riding, steady state, at my anaerobic threshold.

It now is.

Again, you've missed the point. What we all thought were predictions you've labeled "goals/targets". You claimed many times that you're rowing at your goals/targets. Hence you have rowed one of those pieces. Which one?

[ranger]

Over my 25 years of running, I must have run 10,000 15K-30K training runs, but in those thousands of sessions, I never did any of them against a clock so that I could "document" them.

Rich - you so freely throw out numbers without even paying attention to the math - that is 400 runs a year. I for one think you are stretchin the truth here

No, about 250.

I've been doing those 10K runs since I was about 10 years old.

I didn't start marathon running until I was 20.

Running is one of my family's favorite things to do.

We all do it for fun--as a daily regimen--whenever possible, together.

ranger

[ranger]

You claimed many times that you're rowing at your goals/targets. Hence you have rowed one of those pieces.

Nope, not at all.

Racing and training are two different things.

In training, you put together what you need to hit your targets when you race.

When you do this, you exactly _do not_ race.

Racing your training gets you nowhere.

In my training, I am rowing right at my targets.

That is, I have put together just what I need to hit my targets when I race.

What are these things?

A natural stroking power of 12.5 SPI (rowing well!).

An anaerobic threshold of 172 bpm and the ability to row right at that threshold for long periods (e.g., 1-2 hours).

Four hours a day of quality physical work, half rowing, half cross-training.

Therefore, great fitness and endurance.

10% body fat.

162 lbs.

ranger