The Two Types of Training

[johnlvs2run]

Perhaps you'd like me to dig up your quotes?

Here, let me post it again for you.

You are mixed up about my opinion on birth control, as I feel women are entitled do as they wish with their bodies, and the same for anyone else. It is none of your business, just as what I do is none of your business.

Hopefully this time you'll be able to comprehend what it says.

[ranger]

6:41 may have been great compared to others in the rankings, but it blows compared to your predictions.

You are confusing predictions and goals.

Yes, 6:41 is far short of my 2K goal.

But I haven't yet done any predictive training.

Only distance trials and sharpening routines are 2K predictors, really.

So far, I have just done UT work.

I haven't done even one predictive training session yet.

Even distance trials are AT.

Sharpening routines are TR and AN.

ranger

[ranger]

6:41 may have been great compared to others in the rankings

Not just in the rankings.

In the history of the sport.

No one my age and weight has _ever_ rowed faster.

That's a good place to be with your 2K, I think, as you leave your UT training and begin serious race preparation--distance trials and sharpening.

No?

I am also stably at weight, which is no insignificant accomplishment for me, as I approach sixty years old.

Over the weekend, as our family gathered to celebrate my mother's life, the weight issue was striking among my friends and relatives of a similar age.

For instance, when we were twenty years old, my brother, my nephew and I were right about the same weight--165 lbs.

Now that we are all in and around sixty years old, both my brother and my nephew are about 220 lbs.

What am I?

165 lbs.

They both outweigh me by 55 lbs.

ranger

[ranger]

Rich asserts that the act of logging the distance/time transforms the session from "training" to "racing".

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Timing yourself, day in and day out, tends to undermine all of these things, switching your focus to getting a good time when you are training...
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I (and everyone else who's training logs I read) have NO problem disclosing slow, recovery days.. I suspect that your reluctance to post any workout that wont be received with shock and awe is what prevents you from logging your erging. You dont have trouble quantifying your bicycle/stepper/ab roller/situps/rope skipping do you? It's just the erging...

You miss the point.

Timing your UT rowing sessions distracts from its central business--working hard and rowing well.

Timing your cross-training is fine.

It doesn't involve either.

Timing your distance trials and sharpening is entirely appropriate, too.

Going fast is the point.

Therefore, you need to work against the clock to make sure you are doing what you think you are (i.e., going fast).

ranger

[ranger]

anything but talking about well documented training

Why in the world would you want to "document" your UT training?

Over my 25 years of running, I must have run 10,000 15K-30K training runs, but in those thousands of sessions, I never did any of them against a clock so that I could "document" them.

I did similar training for a decade or so each on skates, in a canoe, and in a pool, but I never timed my day-to-day skates, paddles, or swims.

I never even considered doing my day-to-day UT training against a clock.

I just ran/paddled/swam/skated, working hard, often as hard as I could, so that I found each session both enjoyable and satisfying.

Sure, when I did interval training, I worked against the clock.

And, of course, I worked against the clock when I raced.

But I saw no need whatsoever to time my day-to-day UT training.

Timing your day-to-day UT training puts it in the wrong temporality.

UT training is about passive, ecstatic immersion in a physical activity.

The goal is unconscious habit formation.

"Groovin"

Relaxation, ease, smoothness, enjoyment, satisfaction, fitness, health and well-being, etc.

In this ("cyclical", or perhaps, "centered"/"lyric") temporality, clock time ("linear" time), disappears entirely, as do timed "pieces" ("relative" time), as they are positioned within clock time.

Psychologically, the temporality of UT work is physical and emotional, not volitional and cognitive.

You go with the flow.

You let your will and mind go.

You don't "force it," worrying about how fast you are going.

Exact timing is a measure of narrative development and dramatic performance.

UT training sessions are not exciting stories or dramatic performances.

If you think they are, you are screwing with your head and missing the boat, the most important boat of all, the boat that determines how good you can be in the sport.

The best cross-country coach I ever had assigned workouts that sounded like this:

Easy 15 miles.

Hard 8 miles.

Medium 10 miles.

ranger

[ranger]

Hi-yo, Silver.

There it is.

My HR rode right at 172 bpm for my entire session today.

So, there is my day-to-day, background rowing.

"Threshold" effort.

In my day-to-day sessions, I''ll do nothing easier than this for the next year.

After working so long (seven years) on technique at low rates, I had to be _very_ patient to get my heart to respond in this way again, as it did back in 2003--just riding easily and naturally at my anaerobic threshold.

It took about 3/4 of a year, since the end of last summer.

With my HR at 172 bpm, I am not even breathing hard.

When I am fully trained up with it, I think I might be able to do it for 30K.

Level 3

Top-end UT1

My distance rowing is back.

I certainly have been hiding it lately, but, when it comes down to it, I am a distance specialist.

My distance rowing is my greatest strength.

I was a marathon runner for 25 years.

I have been doing a whole panoply of endurance sports (skating, running, swimming, canoeing) at competitive levels, with very few breaks, for my entire life, since I was five years old (at that time, on speed skates).

Has there ever been a 60s rower with a resting HR of 40 bpm and an anaerobic threshold of 172 bpm?

I doubt it.

Downright freaky.

Technique is now _very_ good, and great training for my OTW efforts.

I am now squaring up at the catch, rolling up on my toes, sitting up tall and straight, sequencing my levers, accelerating the handle, finishing completely, recovering my hands quickly, sweeping the handle across my flat knees before breaking my legs and going down the slide for the next catch.

When I do this, I pull 12.5 SPI.

There's my 2K stroking power.

My anaerobic threshold is still the same as it was back in 2003, but given my improved technique, my stroke is now 20% stronger (12.5 SPI rather than 10.5 SPI).

Misson Accomplished.

I now row well.

No 60s lwt has pulled anywhere near 12.5 SPI.

Most 60s lwts pull 9 SPI.

In fact, no 60s _heavyweights_ have pulled 12.5 SPI.

At 12.5 SPI, 1:36, the 60s hwt 2K WR, is only 32 spm.

I suspect that Hendershott rated higher than 32 spm when he pulled 6:24 when he was 60 at EIRC in Paris in 2003.

I won my race in Paris in 2003, too, pulling a lwt 6:32, when I was 52 and rowing like shit.

I tried to push it, doing the first 1K in 3:12, but given my poor technique, that was too fast.

I could only fade into the finish.

ranger

[ranger]

dis thread be dead

Nope.

_You're_ the one who's dead, Mike.

Dead in the water.

With your anaerobic threshold at 143 bpm, on the erg, over 5K, I'll beat you by 8 seconds per 500m.

So, sooner rather than later, I'll beat you over 5K OTW, too.

Sure, I am inexperienced OTW, but I am no longer a "beginner" at all.

I have been rowing OTW for seven years.

I am pretty good, and I am getting better every day.

You have peaked, both OTW and on the erg.

From now on, you can only get slower.

By the time you are 60, you will be _much_ slower, both OTW and on the erg.

When I am 62, and you are 60, I will be much faster OTW than I am now.

And on the erg, I will still be eight seconds per 500m faster than you are over 5K, even though we are exactly the same size.

See you then.

My hunch:

You will be dead in the water.

I will feel fine rating 30 spm.

You will be sucking air, rating 24 spm, riding in my wake.

ranger

[ausrwr]

You'll produce fantastic times and sessions on and off the water.

But when there's anyone else around, you'll lose.

[PaulH]

But I haven't yet done any predictive training.

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I haven't done even one predictive training session yet.

Then why do you persist in making so many predictions?

[ranger]

But I haven't yet done any predictive training.

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I haven't done even one predictive training session yet.

Then why do you persist in making so many predictions?

They aren't predictions.

They are goals, targets.

And so far so good.

I am rowing right at my goals/targets--on all counts.

I am rowing well, pulling 12.5 SPI, working four hours a day (2 hours on the erg, 2 hours on the bike at 25 MPH), now at a HR of 172 bpm, my anaerobic threshold.

My 2K is 6:41, 1:40.25 pace, just on the basis of UT rowing, with all of my AT, TR, and AN sessions yet to come.

For my age and weight, 1:40.25 is WR 2K pace.

I am at weight.

I feel great--no sickness, no staleness, no injuries, no discouragement.

I work every day.

I don't take rest days.

I don't have any problem recovering from day to day.

My training couldn't be going better.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

Technique is now _very_ good, and great training for my OTW efforts.
I am now squaring up at the catch, rolling up on my toes, sitting up tall and straight, sequencing my levers, accelerating the handle, finishing completely, recovering my hands quickly, sweeping the handle across my flat knees before breaking my legs and going down the slide for the next catch.

Squaring up at the catch on your ergometer?

[JimR]

But I haven't yet done any predictive training.

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I haven't done even one predictive training session yet.

Then why do you persist in making so many predictions?

They aren't predictions.

They are goals, targets.

So when you post that you are doing something, or that something is a lock or a guarantee you are really expressing "goals" and "targets".

That would certainily not be the commonly understood meaning of the phrases but since you are always unclear in your postings it is not a surprise.

I suggest you tread lightly, else Byron my drag out a recap of the last 2-4 years of your postings ... they make you look like kook. Oops ... you are a kook.

BTW ... how is it your 6:41 is the fastest 2k ever but isn't a WR???

JimR

[ranger]

BTW ... how is it your 6:41 is the fastest 2k ever but isn't a WR???

All male senior and veteran WRs have been set when rowers first enter the age group, at 40, 50, 55, 60, etc.

I am 59.

No 59-year-old lwt has ever pulled 6:41.

The 60s lwt WR is 6:42.

If he rows, next year, Roy will have trouble pulled 6:50.

Mike VB already has trouble pulling 6:50.

ranger

[ranger]

So when you post that you are doing something, or that something is a lock or a guarantee you are really expressing "goals" and "targets".

Before the end of the month, I will do all of the races, from 500m to FM--all as a lwt.

I will do them IND_V and enter them in the 50s lwt rankings.

ranger

[ranger]

Technique is now _very_ good, and great training for my OTW efforts.
I am now squaring up at the catch, rolling up on my toes, sitting up tall and straight, sequencing my levers, accelerating the handle, finishing completely, recovering my hands quickly, sweeping the handle across my flat knees before breaking my legs and going down the slide for the next catch.

Squaring up at the catch on your ergometer?

Yep.

ranger