The Two Types of Training

[KevJGK]

Not worthy of repeating.

Uncalled for under ANY circumstances!

[Nosmo]

Mike won his first real race of the year. In the Mens Masters D 8+ at the San Diego Crew Classic, they took it by about 5, 50 and 60 seconds over the other boats. His boats time was faster then 6 of 7 in the C's and 2 of 6 in the B's.
Great Job! )Not too surprising they won.)

(I think) D is 50-54 average age, C is 43 to 49, B is 35 to 42.

Results here: http://www.crewclassic.org/results/2010.html event 86.

I watched several races before his by but the streaming failed just as his race got under way and I couldn't get it back.

[kini62]

Not worthy of repeating.

Uncalled for under ANY circumstances!

WTF! Who TF are you to tell anyone what is or is not called for? Grow up for Christ's sake. Why don't you police the other 1000 or so posts that may offend your senses.

Get a life.

Gene

[Byron Drachman]

Mike won his first real race of the year. In the Mens Masters D 8+ at the San Diego Crew Classic, they took it by about 5, 50 and 60 seconds over the other boats. His boats time was faster then 6 of 7 in the C's and 2 of 6 in the B's.
Great Job! )Not too surprising they won.)

(I think) D is 50-54 average age, C is 43 to 49, B is 35 to 42.

Results here: http://www.crewclassic.org/results/2010.html event 86.

I watched several races before his by but the streaming failed just as his race got under way and I couldn't get it back.

Hi Nosmo,
Thanks for posting that. That must have been fun.
Byron
added later: In case anyone is wondering why this would be in the Ranger thread, Mike invited Ranger to join him later this summer at the Nationals, so surely Ranger is interested in how his future doubles partner is doing.

[johnlvs2run]

Not worthy of repeating.

Uncalled for under ANY circumstances!

Agreed.

Best regards.

[rjw]

I do about 20K a day.

I have for a decade.

Racing is not training.

Different matter entirely.

Rich - you talk about "racing is not training". That seems like an obvious statement so why do you percivate on this and why do you suggest that we all race our training. Is it because we like to time ourselves?

I think you are off the mark on this one.

[Nosmo]

In case anyone is wondering why this would be in the Ranger thread, Mike invited Ranger to join him later this summer at the Nationals, so surely Ranger is interested in how his future doubles partner is doing.

Actually wasn't thinking of that. Rather I was thinking of Ranger's obsessive focus on Mike.
Mike has been put down by ranger more then anyone--I assume because Mike is currently Ranger's biggest competition of any of the posters here.

Anyway it is more relevant then the fact that I rowed .2 microfarads at a pace of 28.6 gigaohms.

[wgr]

Not worthy of repeating.

Uncalled for under ANY circumstances!

Agreed.

Best regards.

and seconded.

Walter

[wgr]

Mike won his first real race of the year. In the Mens Masters D 8+ at the San Diego Crew Classic, they took it by about 5, 50 and 60 seconds over the other boats. His boats time was faster then 6 of 7 in the C's and 2 of 6 in the B's.
Great Job! )Not too surprising they won.)

(I think) D is 50-54 average age, C is 43 to 49, B is 35 to 42.

Results here: http://www.crewclassic.org/results/2010.html event 86.

I watched several races before his by but the streaming failed just as his race got under way and I couldn't get it back.

Hi Nosmo,
Thanks for posting that. That must have been fun.
Byron
added later: In case anyone is wondering why this would be in the Ranger thread, Mike invited Ranger to join him later this summer at the Nationals, so surely Ranger is interested in how his future doubles partner is doing.

Right on, Byron and Nosmo. Mike has received a lot of attention in Ranger's posts.

Nice to see someone "race their training" and succeeding, despite the nay-saying, even if it's in a team environment.

Walter

[mrfit]

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[chgoss]

I do about 20K a day.

I have for a decade.

Racing is not training.

Different matter entirely.

Rich - you talk about "racing is not training". That seems like an obvious statement so why do you percivate on this and why do you suggest that we all race our training. Is it because we like to time ourselves?

I think you are off the mark on this one.

Rich asserts that the act of logging the distance/time transforms the session from "training" to "racing". I agree, it doesnt make sense, and he has never explained it.

[KevJGK]

WTF! Who TF are you to tell anyone what is or is not called for? Grow up for Christ's sake. Why don't you police the other 1000 or so posts that may offend your senses.

No previous post has offended my senses. Your comments were below the belt and uncalled for.

Get a life.

From a 48 year old who lists his main interests as "video games".

[mikvan52]

RE:
(Results here: http://www.crewclassic.org/results/2010.html event 86.)


& RE:
(In case anyone is wondering why this would be in the Ranger thread, Mike invited Ranger to join him later this summer at the Nationals, so surely Ranger is interested in how his future doubles partner is doing.)



Nice to see someone "race their training" and succeeding,... even if it's in a team environment.

Walter

I highly recommend the "team environment" . In training alone it leads to great progress.
Rowing with 7 others and a great coxswain is a great opportunity. See my blog for more details.

I hope Rich will take me up on the invite to scull in a 2x hwt E 1k this summer at Camden....

[ranger]

Mike has been put down by ranger more then anyone

Facts are not put-downs.

Beyond the facts, I have had nothing negative to say about Mike's erging.

And I have only expressed admiration for Mike's OTW rowing.

ranger

[ranger]

Rich asserts that the act of logging the distance/time transforms the session from "training" to "racing".

If it doesn't, then the timing is unnecessary.

If the timing is necessary, then it does.

Given the shrill urging that I time my sessions, I assume that you (and others) think that timing is necessary.

Clearly, the 2Ks I pulled this winter, which were the fastest ever by someone my age and weight, even though I didn't even sharpen for them, shows that timing is not at all necessary.

Timing is only important when you race (or sharpen).

If you time yourself scrupulously when you are training and then pull disappointing times when you race, it should be a wake up call, no?

Your attentions are misplaced.

On the other hand, if you think that timing is optional but you just like to do it.

Then there is no need to urge me to do it.

It is optional.

There are lots of other things to concentrate on when you are rowing--working hard, rowing well, etc.

If you don't work hard and row poorly, timing yourself does you no good at all.

Training is an opportunity to get better.

It doesn't have much at all to do with going fast.

Racing (and sharpening) are opportunities to go fast.

If you time your training, you tend to force it, avoiding foundational matters and spending most of your time sharpening.

If you do this, you waste your training by racing it.

You miss your opportunities to get better.

I suppose it is ironic, but getting better at rowing doesn't have much to do with high exertion.

It has to do with relaxation, efficiency, naturalness, precision, consistency, skill, unconscious repetition, relaxation, etc.

Timing yourself, day in and day out, tends to undermine all of these things, switching your focus to getting a good time when you are training...

And therefore, ironically, a bad time when you race.

ranger