The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

we are discussing training here

No, really, you're not.

But at least I know this:

At some point it will dawn on your that you will need to start training if you want to get better.

Then perhaps we can discuss training.

Good luck with your rowing.

ranger

[ranger]

... I was the keynote speaker at the memorial service ...

I don't think I have ever heard of a person giving a eulogy at a funeral referred to as a "keynote speaker" ... but perhaps I don't know many people quite so self-centered.

JimR

Oh, get off the wall.

ranger

[ranger]

Byron ...

I appreciate you taking the time to summarize a couple years of postings so well. Doesn't it seem like ranger is very confused about his how his training is actually going over time? Combined with the lack of rowing over any distance greater than 1K I can see how there would be such a gap between predicition and result in his 2k races.

JimR

I do about 20K a day.

I have for a decade.

Racing is not training.

Different matter entirely.

If you are an older rower and are any good at all already, you don't have a hope in hell of getting any better by racing your training, as everyone in and around this forum has demonstrated.

ranger

[bloomp]

we are discussing training here

No, really, you're not.

But at least I know this:

At some point it will dawn on your that you will need to start training if you want to get better.

Then perhaps we can discuss training.

Good luck with your rowing.

ranger

Actually, you're the one trying to tie your mother's death into your inability to perform as you claim. Shame that you have to involve such a nice woman in your dirty laundry.

Let's see, I have gotten faster since my first 2k five years ago. Yet you haven't gotten faster in seven years. My training is clearly working. You have some convoluted sense of 'accomplishment' by rowing with breaks. Rich - I actually log my meters and note what will make me better. You are 12 seconds slower than when you did not know how to row. If you truly are not sharpened, then you are just as good as you were seven years ago.

Who isn't training now? You would never make it into any elite 'camp' because you never log your meters. The SBTC at Craftsbury requires a training log for the last few years. They don't care for someone who thinks that logging meters is racing your training. They don't care for rowing with breaks.

[JimR]

... I should race all of the events before the end of April and therefore have a full set of new, current pbs to list in my signature ..

My pbs from back in 2003 are the following:

FM 1:54
HM 1:49
60min 1:48
10K 1:46
30min 1:45
6K 1:44
5K 1:43

I thought the plan was to add results to your signature when you set a new pb (personal best) in 2010? I am therefore confused to see your 6:41 2K as it is slower than your pb. More confusing is that you are sure you are much better now than you ever were.

JimR

[JimR]

Byron ...

I appreciate you taking the time to summarize a couple years of postings so well. Doesn't it seem like ranger is very confused about his how his training is actually going over time? Combined with the lack of rowing over any distance greater than 1K I can see how there would be such a gap between predicition and result in his 2k races.

JimR

I do about 20K a day.

I have for a decade.

Racing is not training.

Different matter entirely.

If you are an older rower and are any good at all already, you don't have a hope in hell of getting any better by racing your training, as everyone in and around this forum has demonstrated.

ranger

This appears confusing as you have slowed more than any 55-59 lwt in the history of erging. There should be a "award" for that I think.

JimR

[JimR]

... I was the keynote speaker at the memorial service ...

I don't think I have ever heard of a person giving a eulogy at a funeral referred to as a "keynote speaker" ... but perhaps I don't know many people quite so self-centered.

JimR

Oh, get off the wall.

ranger

What does "get off the wall" mean? I don't think I have heard this phrase used before but I am not a person steeped in the study of poetics either.

JimR

[leadville]

well. our hero has decided to post his entire 'keynote speech', err, eulogy - for his mother - on a forum about training for sculling.

rangerboy, could you be just a little more self-absorbed? Is that possible?

you are one weirdly pathetic troll.

[JimR]

well. our hero has decided to post his entire 'keynote speech', err, eulogy - for his mother - on a forum about training for sculling.

rangerboy, could you be just a little more self-absorbed? Is that possible?

you are one weirdly pathetic troll.

You deserve a "get off the wall" post from ranger for that ... whatever that means?!

JimR

[whp4]

My mother was a lady--graceful, coiffure, bejeweled, outfitted.

And my mother was never disillusioned. She always looked on the bright side of things, no matter how dim the light.

They do say that mothers love their children, no matter how dim...probably why she didn't nag you more about actually doing those distance trials and hard sharpening that you always talk about doing, but never seem to do

[ranger]

This appears confusing as you have slowed more than any 55-59 lwt in the history of erging.

No, not at all.

The 6:41 I pulled this year, without distance trials or hard sharpening, was pretty much right in line with expectations, given my lwt 6:30 at WIRC 2003, when I set the 50s lwt WR

Perhaps a second better.

Historically, the best 50s lwt fall off at the rate of 1.7 seconds per year, so 11.9 seconds in the seven years from 2003 to 2010.

This means that any improvement at all that I can make on this 6:41 with distance trials and hard sharpening over the next year, as I bring this training to completion, will be beyond the normal historical expectations.

6:28 would be a dozen seconds beyond these expectations.

6:16 would be _two_ dozen seconds beyond these expectations.

I usually get a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

Distrance trials (and other kinds of "threshold" and AT rowing) are also a crucial part of training for a 2K.

The 6:41 I pulled this year is a second faster than the 60s lwt WR, just as the 6:30 I pulled in 2003 was a second faster than the 50s lwt WR at the time.

ranger

[ranger]

Shame that you have to involve such a nice woman in your dirty laundry

My dirty laundry?

You mean my WR-level rowing?

Nothing would be more appropriate than to tie my mother to my WR-level rowing.

It was my mother who taught me to swim, skate, paddle, sail, ski, etc.

What you can achieve physically when you are 60 depends quite a bit on your lifelong physical habits.

In these matters, my parents were the best possible models.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

The 6:41 I pulled this year is a second faster than the 60s lwt WR, just as the 6:30 I pulled in 2003 was a second faster than the 50s lwt WR at the time.

Misplaced your copy again, I see:

[mrfit]

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[kini62]

You mean my WR-level rowing?

Nothing would be more appropriate than to tie my mother to my WR-level rowing.

ranger

HELLO! Is anybody out there?

You have no world records. You are a has been.

Your mother is gone and so are your VERY SHORT lived WRs. Neither are going to appear in this world again.

Gene