The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 26th, 2010, 11:24 pm

NavigationHazard wrote:There's an easy way to find out your time right now over 1k OTW. Row a measured 1000 meters on the clock. Start timing when your bow ball passes the start line and stop when it crosses the finish line.

Hint #1: This works for 5k, too.

Hint #2: Much the same method can be applied to dry-land rowing simulation on a Concept II ergometer.
No, that just shows where you are in your training, and given how you are training, it might show you nothing at all.

If you are practicing for 100m and you want to find out what you can do in a FM when you are fully trained for it, going out and running 26 miles as hard as you can wouldn't tell you much.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by NavigationHazard » March 27th, 2010, 4:09 am

Well, you did post
Contradictingmylastpost wrote:Ask me again after ten million more meters OTW (and ten million more meters on the erg), which is what I will put in before HOCR 2011. I'll know where I am with my OTW rowing much better then. For instance, I will know my times over 1K and 5K OTW, etc. I will be doing interval workouts OTW, etc.
Unless you've suspended the conventions of syntax again, this implies 1) you don't currently know your times over 1k or 5k OTW; 2) sometime between now and October 2011 you will find out; 3) you will find out either by doing interval workouts OTW, or else "etc."

Now you say you're not going to do that, because you're practicing for 100m races rather than marathons? I don't get it. I'm not aware of a single 100m race OTW. Moreover the last I looked, a 100m sprint was just under 1/422 of a marathon. The analogous training distance for a 1k would be a 2.4m sprint, or about half a boatlength, or a 1/4-slide stroke. For 5k it would be just under 12m, a 1/4-slide stroke + a 1/2-slide stroke.

It's going to take you a long time to build up to rowing the HOCR if you're rowing 12m pieces in training, with breaks. By the way, did you know that you actually have to row down to the start in Boston and then back to the finish? And that you can't take all day to paddle down? This at least doubles the total distance you have to row on race day.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by lancs » March 27th, 2010, 4:21 am

Prof would you mind ammending your signature as each of the ground-breaking distance trials gets ticked off? I can hardly wait for the FM at 1:48 although the other day I did see you thinking out loud as to whether 1:46 would be doable. Can you also post how far you get at 1:48 pace before you think better of it? I'm guessing around 4k..

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » March 27th, 2010, 4:45 am

NavigationHazard wrote:Now you say you're not going to do that, because you're practicing for 100m races rather than marathons? I don't get it. I'm not aware of a single 100m race OTW.
For some reason I think TSO has flipped his focus to running for this one. Quite why a runner who was practicing (why are we now practicing and not training?) for the 100m dash would suddenly turn his attention to running a marathon is utterly beyond me. But, then, the air is pretty thin on Planet Ranger.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 27th, 2010, 8:13 am

lancs wrote:Prof would you mind ammending your signature as each of the ground-breaking distance trials gets ticked off? I can hardly wait
Sure, that's just the intention.

The 2K time in my signature, of course, is premature.

That's just a training time, really, a UT1 2K.

I haven't even done distance trials or sharpening yet.

Jumped rope for the first time in a long time this morning, because I am on the road, down in Illinois.

Put in about an hour and a half.

Best ever.

I can now do 6-7 minute double-time intervals jumping rope, something like a 2K.

Good stuff, not easy at all.

Never could do that before.

I am in _very_ good shape.

Time to start running again.

It will be _very_ easy to run at this weight.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by aharmer » March 27th, 2010, 8:31 am

Please don't tell me "double time" means doing double unders with the jump rope. That would be 400+ double unders in a row. If so, please admit your lie now, or post a video of you doing it for that amount of time. I'd take a video of you doing double unders for 30 seconds.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Byron Drachman » March 27th, 2010, 12:53 pm

Ranger wrote:--snip-- because I am on the rode, down in Illinois.
Good grief!

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Byron Drachman » March 27th, 2010, 1:01 pm

Ranger wrote:Oct 4, 2006: I have just started to sharpen, folks.

Wed Nov 8, 2006: After not sharpening fully for four years, I am going to sharpen for four months now.

Nov 15, 2006: My technical problems are all solved now. I am now doing full sharpening and distance rowing.

Nov 16, 2006: I know how to sharpen. I just haven't sharpened yet.

Nov 28, 2006: My technique problems are now solved. I am now doing full sharpening and distance rowing.

Jam 16, 2007: I have now sorted out my technique, and I am doing both free rate distance rowing and full sharpening.

Jan 21, 2007: Over the next month, then, as I do full sharpening, I will try to hold the stroking power and lift the rate slowly to 34 spm.

Jan 23, 2007: I am just starting to sharpen

January 19, 2009: I am only in my first week of sharpening.

February 2, 2009: Haven't really done any sharpening yet.

February 5, 2009: Sharpening is coming along perfectly.

February 8, 2009: I have just started to sharpen.

February 9, 2009: What sharpening? I haven't done any yet.

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.

Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Feb 2, 2010: I have just begun my sharpening

March 4, 2010: I am now sharpening hard.

March 5, 2010: I haven't even done any distance trials or hard sharpening yet.

March 8, 2010: I am just starting to sharpen.

March 26, 2010: I haven't even done distance trials or sharpening yet.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by lancs » March 27th, 2010, 5:32 pm

How's the sharpening going Prof? :)

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 27th, 2010, 5:51 pm

lancs wrote:How's the sharpening going Prof? :)
Well, right now I am burying my 93-year-old mother, so I am bit distant from my rowing goals.

I was the keynote speaker at the memorial service, down here in Urbana, Illinois.

Nice affair.

About 200 people came to the memorial service.

We also did a family service at the gravesite this morning.

We buried her beside my father.

My nephew and son did a duet with guitars.

We all placed flowers on the grave, making the shape of a heart.

Everyone said something about mom.

This is what I said at the memorial service:

My mother was many wonderful things, and for six decades it has been our great joy and benefit to see her be all of those wonderful things so often and consistently.

My mother was a lady--graceful, coiffure, bejeweled, outfitted.

My mother was a saint--a peacemaker, diplomat, compromiser, a believer and practitioner of the Christian virtues of faithfulness, love, hope, and purity.

My mother was a worker--a believer in the Victorian virtues of self-reliance, self-contol, perseverance, and practicality.

My mother was a craftsman--a painter, a carpenter, a seamstress, a gardener, and a chef.

My mother was an athlete--a swimmer, a tennis player, a canoeist, a sailor, a biker, a hiker, a believer and practitioner in the ancient virtues of courage, temperance, justice, and wisdom.

My mother was a nature-lover--a camper, fire-maker, a lover of the water and the woods and a blazing sunset over a campsite.

My mother was a musician--a piano-player, a singer, and a dancer.

My mother was democrat--a believer in equal rights for all, I never saw my mother look down on anyone and she never expected anyone to look down on her.

My mother was a competitor--a card shark, a scrabble-player, a lover of games of all sort, all of which she trod to win, and often did.

My mother was a believer in sorority and fraternity--a good neighbor, a concerned citizen.

My mother was a host--a lover of parties and social gatherings, a giver, a sharer.

My mother was a jester--a clown, a lover of costumes, rituals, holidays, and masks.

My mother, by the end, although she lived her life in this wonderful and very Midwestern town in an age dominated by local rather than global affairs, was cosmopolitan--a world-traveler, concern with other cultures, other natures.

And yes, my mother, above all, was a mother--a nurturer, a rock of Gibraltar, a retreat and haven, a caregiver, a nurse, a teacher.

In this modern world of ours today, the most astonishing things about my mother were these:

My mother was never bored.

My mother never had an enemy.

My other never did anything willfully to undermine her health and well-being.

And my mother was never disillusioned. She always looked on the bright side of things, no matter how dim the light.

May she ride the wind in her afterlife was as much verve and panache as she walked the earth in this life.

What a gift she was to everyone who knew and loved her.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » March 27th, 2010, 5:55 pm

Rich,

That is very nice what you said of your Mom.

I think it must be very difficult to speak at a funeral, especially of one's Mom.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by bloomp » March 27th, 2010, 5:58 pm

Rich:

http://www.livejournal.com/
would be a much more appropriate place to share your thoughts. Remember, we are discussing training here. I am terribly sorry for your loss, it is never fair to lose someone close to you.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JimR » March 27th, 2010, 6:06 pm

ranger wrote:... I was the keynote speaker at the memorial service ...
I don't think I have ever heard of a person giving a eulogy at a funeral referred to as a "keynote speaker" ... but perhaps I don't know many people quite so self-centered.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JimR » March 27th, 2010, 6:09 pm

Byron ...

I appreciate you taking the time to summarize a couple years of postings so well. Doesn't it seem like ranger is very confused about his how his training is actually going over time? Combined with the lack of rowing over any distance greater than 1K I can see how there would be such a gap between predicition and result in his 2k races.

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