The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

am the fastest lwt american 55-59 sculler

Indeed you are.

That's why we'll all be gunning for you.



If you can't rate up...

ranger

[mikvan52]

am the fastest lwt american 55-59 sculler

Indeed you are.

That's why we'll all be gunning for you.



If you can't rate up...

ranger

Cheers!

[johnlvs2run]

I row faster than that and I'm 57!

RANKING RESULTS 2003
Rod freed 53 mission viejo ca USA 16:47.0

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Henry Baker 62 Santa Barbara CA USA 18:25.7 RowPro
2 Photo Email this rower gregory brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 18:27.9 IND
3 Email this rower Bob Willis 59 Longmeadow Ma USA 18:30.6 IND
4 Photo Email this rower Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 18:42.9 IND
5 Email this rower Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club IRL 18:43.1
Mike -- ? absent

What are Freed's rowing times, JOHN? (not his erg times)

[ranger]

I will always beat ranger on the water

No evidence for this at all.

If you can't rate up, you'll just ride in my wake.

ranger

[ranger]

He changed this form and slowed down. His form remains WRONG.

Hardly.

I think you'll like my distance stroke.

10 MPS, 11 SPI, 1:43 @ 29 spm, heart rate riding under my anaerobic threshold, pretty normal drag (145 df.), 3-to-1 ratio.

Short drive, _huge_ recovery.

_Very_ efficient.

I think I'll end up doing it for an hour, perhaps two hours.

ranger

[ranger]

He would have done lots of low rate, lots of drills, lots of time OTW.

That amounts to a lot of meters, no?

Just my intention.

It is also my intention of doing a lot of 30 spm rowing OTW, though, with my distance stroke.

"Threshold" rowing, as I am now doing on the erg.

This erging that I am doing now will be great preparation for this OTW work over the next two years.

I'll do this 30 spm rowing all next winter erging season, too.

I am also doing two pretty hard hours a day on my bike (25 MPH) to keep my weight at 9% body fat, 160 lbs.

Given this amount of physical work, I can't possibly gain any weight.

ranger

[ranger]

I think Rich´s 16690m hour (probably not done at weight) which he pulled when he (still) was extremely fit and used a not very nice but very efficient technique is not far from the maximum 50+ year old lightweights (at weight ) can achieve. I do not believe in 17k+ efforts.

Over the next five weeks, I think I will best my 16.7K 60min row from 2003 pretty soundly and pull well over 17K, even though I am now seven years older.

My technique is much better.

I now pull 11 SPI, rather than 9 SPI, as I used to, in rows of this sort.

I have learned how to use my legs.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

March 12, 2010: Sure, standing ab-wheels are harder, but not as hard as extension press ups. I could do 50 of them, I think. But that would be about it.

Where are the remaining 47?

[ranger]

March 12, 2010: Sure, standing ab-wheels are harder, but not as hard as extension press ups. I could do 50 of them, I think. But that would be about it.

Where are the remaining 47?

You want to see 50?

O.K.

I'll see what I can do.

They aren't that hard, Byron.

Rowing well is much harder.

Try pulling 13 SPI for an hour or so.

You'll see why.

ranger

[snowleopard]

Over the next five weeks, I think I will best my 16.7K 60min row from 2003 pretty soundly and pull well over 17K, even though I am now seven years older.

Make sure it's verified. We wouldn't want you sneaking in any more "Just Rows" claimed as continuous.

[ranger]

Over the next five weeks, I think I will best my 16.7K 60min row from 2003 pretty soundly and pull well over 17K, even though I am now seven years older.

Make sure it's verified. We wouldn't want you sneaking in any more "Just Rows" claimed as continuous.

Sure, I'll do it IND_V and post a screen shot, too, with splits, rates, and heart rates, which should be interesting.

ranger

[johnlvs2run]

Here are three or four standing ab-wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DjbUepLvsE

ranger

Rich, you're supposed to keep your body straight, and off the ground at all times.

A hard non-slip surface would be better.

[PaulH]

on what basis do you say that most rowers in this country try to bully their way through the water?

a quick catch feels "easier" than a big "weightlifting-type" slug at the catch, but the quick catch lets me go faster

http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=131057#p131057

Most rowers use a huge weightlifting-type slug at the catch.

They insist on banging their heads against the wall on the water.

But the top rowers, Stephanen, Luini, Ebbesen, row like Freed.

You link contained no evidence I could see. So I ask again, on what basis do you make your assertion?

[macroth]

Rich, you're supposed to keep your body straight, and off the ground at all times.

Or at least avoid pushing off with your knees so blatantly.

This is a perfect example of ranger's detachment from reality. He actually believes everything he posts here ("I row well; I do my distance training at 13 spi; I bike two hours every day at 25 mph; I can do 50 standing ab wheels, no sweat") because he is incapable of any realistic self-assessment, even after seeing a video of himself ("I'm pretty fast on an erg for a 59 year-old LW; every now in then during my rowing-with-breaks I hit 13 spi for a few strokes; I pedal (with breaks?) on a stationary bike in my basement and might as well be tracking cals/hour since the speed is meaningless; doing 3 standing-to-knee ab wheels is pretty tough for me").

Unlike some other people, he probably doesn't realize he's lying.

[johnlvs2run]

You link contained no evidence I could see.

The link works fine for me and supports the quotation that I posted.

Here is your evidence:
Most rowers use a huge weightlifting-type slug at the catch.
They insist on banging their heads against the wall on the water.

The top rowers, Stephansen, Luini, Ebbesen, row like Freed.

Stephansen rows at 43 plus spm on the erg.

The Danes & Italians row at 39 plus spm on the water.

There's your evidence. Open your eyes and open your mind.