The Two Types of Training

[mikvan52]

top rowers, Stephanen, Luini, Ebbesen, row like Freed.

Is this Freed-thang some kind of joke?
Must be!


I git it!

a "closet rower" is like a 7 time world champion and 3 time gold medalist at the Olympics based on a 50 year-old 2k erg time of 6:3x not done at a championship whom you've not seen row in person or on video...


Did you mean "erg" like Freed? Even that is wrong.
Does Freed still erg?
Has Freed competed on the water in the last 3 decades? What are his results?

[hjs]

I talk about ERGING, you talk about ROWING

That's because I'm a rower, you're an erger.

You "modified" his program, you have show what you did in training a few years back, it did not look a bit like rowing every day, every training.

I only showed some small samples of my training.
I have rowed 110 kilometers in a day, 465 kilometers in a week.

About your drag, the fact that you did some training at high drags does not alter the fact that most of your erging was at very low drag.

I have rowed more than a marathon in sessions at the highest drag possible.

Nobody doubts freed rowing results, only his ERGING. What you or I do or don,t is not the question. Plus you don,t have a clue what I do or have done.

So you rowed 110 k and 465 in in an week, that is a perfect example that you did NOT train like freed

You have never ROWED on max drag, there is no such thing as max drag in rowing, you only ERGED at max drag

[johnlvs2run]

Here are three or four standing ab-wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DjbUepLvsE

ranger

"This video is private."

[johnlvs2run]

You have never ROWED on max drag, there is no such thing as max drag in rowing, you only ERGED at max drag

I have rowed at drag factors above 300, which almost no one else has done.

And I never have erged.

It's like me saying I saw a red tailed hawk this morning, and some idiot would say oh NO because there is no such thing!

Or you would get an email from someone "you know" who would say there is no such thing.

Because they are not able to look up from staring at the ground.

[mikvan52]

"R. Freed" won the Club Single at the Head of the Charles in 1974 in 21:01.4."

That's like Ebbensen and Luini?

A Club single rower is like a World Champion Elite Oarsman?

I row faster than that and I'm 57! So I'm like Luini too

http://hocr-timing.org/results2008/13804.htm

(This shows a 20:16.x for me)

I don't understand this overwhelming fascination with people who don't have current results (FREED AND RANGER)

Rich has just said he'll not race for the next two summers. With more OTW training than I've ever done!!!
You have given up rowing.....

Is this a "memory lane" type of thread where old guys pull out the AB WHeel and say:

"Look, Ma, No hands!" ?

[johnlvs2run]

I row faster than that and I'm 57!

RANKING RESULTS 2003
Rod freed 53 mission viejo ca USA 16:47.0

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Henry Baker 62 Santa Barbara CA USA 18:25.7 RowPro
2 Photo Email this rower gregory brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 18:27.9 IND
3 Email this rower Bob Willis 59 Longmeadow Ma USA 18:30.6 IND
4 Photo Email this rower Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 18:42.9 IND
5 Email this rower Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club IRL 18:43.1
Mike -- ? absent

[mikvan52]

I row faster than that and I'm 57!

RANKING RESULTS 2003
Rod freed 53 mission viejo ca USA 16:47.0

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Henry Baker 62 Santa Barbara CA USA 18:25.7 RowPro
2 Photo Email this rower gregory brock 61 santa cruz ca USA 18:27.9 IND
3 Email this rower Bob Willis 59 Longmeadow Ma USA 18:30.6 IND
4 Photo Email this rower Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 18:42.9 IND
5 Email this rower Hugh Conway 60 St. Pats TOW Club IRL 18:43.1
Mike -- ? absent

Rowing...
Not erging..

Why is Freed so slow on the water?

Are you trying to confuse the issue?
If you know so much about Freed why is he so slow on the water and so fast on the erg?

I may indeed be wrong but I have not seen any dramatic Public venue stats here an ranger-land.. where no stats of that type seem to be required.

[johnlvs2run]

I row faster than that

Faster than 16:47?

But there is no result in the rankings for you.

[johnlvs2run]

Why is Freed so slow on the water?

Why are you so slow on the water?

I see your name in no Olympic or World championship events.

And never heard of you before you started posting (and bragging) on the forum.

I give you credit for your erg times, but question that you try to say you are the greatest rower ever.

Or that no one can beat you, not Freed, not Rich, not anyone.

[snowleopard]

You have never ROWED on max drag, there is no such thing as max drag in rowing, you only ERGED at max drag

I have rowed at drag factors above 300, which almost no one else has done.

I mean, like, wow. That is so o o impressive.

Puts an unsupported crossing of the South Pole truly in the shade.

What an amazing physical achievement. You should be justfiably proud of yourself.

Did you train specially for it? Or was it down to your natural sporting ability. Did Rod Freed turn up to cox?

Incidentally, you know absolutely nothing -- zip, nada, nocht -- about rowing (which is done on the water). So please have the grace to refrain from commenting on the achievements of those that do.

[mrfit]

Ranger's distance ranking rowing countdown:
42 days

[ranger]

don't understand this overwhelming fascination with people who don't have current results (FREED AND RANGER) Rich has just said he'll not race for the next two summers.

I have never claimed anything about my present OTW rowing except that I am in the process of learning.

I didn't say that I won't race for another two years, although that might indeed be the case if I don't feel that I am ready.

As I said, I will feel ready for racing when I am doing timed OTW interval workouts on a regular basis, together with OTW time trials over target distances (1K, 5K, etc.).

I am not doing that now.

I am just rowing, working on things that I need to do better.

This spring, summer, and fall, I will try to row OTW quite a bit more than I have in the past, though, if possible, 20K a day.

That should help my OTW rowing quite a bit.

ranger

[ranger]

Here are three or four standing ab-wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DjbUepLvsE

ranger

"This video is private."

Sorry.

You can see it now.

ranger

[ranger]

I know some 50-59 hwts who erg at the 6:16 level who cannot come close to me OTW...

No one your size.

The water penalizes a rower for weight.

We are exactly the same weight.

Vis-a-vis the erg, 50 kgs. of weight is penalized 50 seconds over 2K OTW.

Over 5K, that becomes two minutes.

You pull about 4.5 watts/kg. over 2K.

When I pull 6:16, I'll pull 5.8 watts/kg.

People like NavHaz pull 3.5 watts/kg.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Why is Freed so slow on the water?

Why are you so slow on the water?

I see your name in no Olympic or World championship events.

And never heard of you before you started posting (and bragging) on the forum.

I give you credit for your erg times, but question that you try to say you are the greatest rower ever.

Or that no one can beat you, not Freed, not Rich, not anyone.

You seem to be begging the question by talking about me>

I am not saying any of what's highlighted above.

What are Freed's rowing times, JOHN? (not his erg times)
Explain why Freed was rowing in the CLub Single, rowed slow, and did not progress (to my knowledge)

Explain why he never erged at a public venue.

Don't try to deflect pointed questioning and talk about me. I am most assuredly not the best... ranger and Freed are (in your book) ..prove it with publicly competed stats.

As for ranger... he's not even a racing rower.. He has quit the field for OTW until he's over sixty...even though he has rowed more OTW meters since 1980 than I have.... WOW!

This is the problem with exaggeration.. you get caught in the end by inconsistencies.

Everything I write here is substantiated.

Please don't bother with C2 rankings from 2003... It's 2010, in case you haven't noticed!

Where's ranger? Where's Freed? Where's Waldo.

This Freed/ranger joke has gone on long enough... it's emotionally dishonest because it serves mostly to only talk about either the unsubstantiated past on what is now ancient history.
It came up because ranger said... "I will try to break Freed's age 50 one hour record"....

and what has happened... the usual!.... NOTHING

Nothing will happen: Just more MUD (meaningless unsubstantiated drivel)

Why not let's both give this a break until someone can find some stats... BESIDES 1:39/500m paced 2ks on the erg.

You ask:
"Why are you so slow on the water?
I see your name in no Olympic or World championship events."

I am the fastest lwt american 55-59 sculler. I am not, nor ever was an elite rower in the open divisions.
Being fast in such a small division is not such a big deal.

I will always beat ranger on the water if my body stays sound.

If ranger bothered to try to learn how to race on the water 10 years ago he might have had a chance. He didn't. It's over for the 50-59 and 60-69 age groups.

I say this as a coach; primarily because of his head strong way of avoiding good advice (not just from me) and his inappropriate focus on the erg.

Do you know who Kris Korzenowski is? He coached our (USA) quad to victory in Lucerne during the summer of 2008 (among many, many, other things). He says that if ergers are not carefully supervised on the erg they stand the chance of ruining there chances OTW (because of form problems)
This doesn't always happen. It frequently happens. IMHO it has happened with ranger. I think he knows this. He has rowed, according to his claim, 100 million meters on the erg. I can see (again as a coach) that he has rowed them 'wrong' I have watched all his youtubes many times. His best times were rowed with the worst OTW form.. He changed this form and slowed down. His form remains WRONG.

WRONG! (for the water) RIGHT for the erg...

It's really that simple... He also has said that he has no interest in changing his form or his training... It's "set"...
SO...

Please forgive me if we misunderstand each other! Erging well is not Rowing well automatically. Many people do well at both. Ranger is not one.
Championships (except those held online) are won by showing up and rowing against someone.
There are many many bad online stats; some are intentional some are not.

Speculation is speculation. Paul's Law is not hard and fast to 1 sec per 500m.
The world record holder at 500m will not be the world record holder at 1 hour.

Am I mistaken?
Who's being haughty here? I don't want to be seen that way.
Who's being accurate using verifiable facts about sports in which they have at least a little experience?

Haven't heard of me?
PM me and I'll send you a bio... It's been recounted online before.. You have my permission to post it.. I most sincerely don't want to brag....