The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mrfit » March 15th, 2010, 7:27 am

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 15th, 2010, 8:05 am

I was issued a MacBook Pro, 15" screen, laptop from the University last week.

So now I can hook up to Erg Monitor and really see what's up with my rowing.

This is my first laptop.

I bought all of my children laptops, but never bought myself one.

Now, I have been given one by the University.

Nice.

Beautiful little gizmo.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by NavigationHazard » March 15th, 2010, 8:09 am

Sorry, ErgMonitor runs on Windows platforms and was written for XP. I don't think it will run on a Mac, even in a Windows emulation.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 15th, 2010, 9:08 am

NavigationHazard wrote:Sorry, ErgMonitor runs on Windows platforms and was written for XP. I don't think it will run on a Mac, even in a Windows emulation.
Oh.

Didn't know that.

Sorry to hear.

I was looking forward to it.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ausrwr » March 15th, 2010, 11:53 am

Let's start a pool in Rich's result for the Nationals 1x this year. To make it clear, this is not a bet.
I want to set this up as a charity thing. In the unlikely event Rich is prepared to put his money where his mouth is, we set the event so that if Rich wins in his part of the bargain, he gets the money. If he doesn't deliver, he has to donate the money to a charity of our choice.

Perhaps:
i) Ranger beats Mike: I give Rich $1000
ii) Ranger comes second: I give Rich $500
iii) Ranger comes third: I give Rich $300
iv) Ranger makes the final: I give Rich $200
v) Ranger shows up and races: I give him $100
vi) Ranger DNFs: He donates $100 - I know that v and vi would cancel each other out...
vii) Ranger turns up and can't make weight: He donates $200
vii) Ranger turns up and DNSs: He donates $300
viii) Ranger does not show:: He donates $500
ix) Ranger does not enter: He donates $1000

Ranger, if your on-water stroke is so dialled-in, and it's obviously a lay-down misere that you're fit, there should be no trouble on you beating Mike, who is after all slow, can't rate high, weak, etc etc etc., and you'll collect a lazy thousand.

But on the other hand, as I maintain, you are a total blowhard who can't sit a boat properly, tries to row a boat with the same stroke OTW as on the erg, and has no respect for anyone but yourself, you'll not even enter, and you can donate a thousand to Help for Heroes.

Can you put a price on your pride?
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by whp4 » March 15th, 2010, 12:21 pm

NavigationHazard wrote:Sorry, ErgMonitor runs on Windows platforms and was written for XP. I don't think it will run on a Mac, even in a Windows emulation.
If it is truly the case that it won't run on a Mac using Boot Camp, Paul's engineer ought to have his keyboard taken away.

A MacBook Pro running Boot Camp will run Windows XP just fine, or Vista, or Windows 7. You do have to acquire a copy of Windows and do the Boot Camp installation. My son's best friend was able to do it at the tender age of 6 so surely an august intellect like the nutty prof ought to be able to manage it, right? Might even be able to get his IT folks to do it for him, which might cut the costs a bit (I'm guessing the U of M might have a Windows site license).

I'll give ErgMonitor under Boot Camp a test run when he comes over later this week (I don't use Windows on my Mac).

Assuming it runs fine, here's what I propose:

ErgMonitor costs $100. Paying off Henry costs $1000. You won about $200 from the Chicago challenge. You buy a copy of ErgMonitor, scrounge up a suitable Windows installation disk, and send Henry $100. When Henry posts that he's received your token $100, I will help you install Boot Camp, Windows, and ErgMonitor. You'll have to do the trip to Radio Shack for the cables by yourself.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by bellboy » March 15th, 2010, 3:54 pm

Ausrwr,you have backed the Baron into a corner now.Methinks his sparkling personality will preclude him from making any progress OTW this summer. A trained coach giving pertinent advice will always be ignored because our hero would rather waste another few years of life`s precious time doing it his way. Sad but tremendous fun to observe

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by johnlvs2run » March 15th, 2010, 4:26 pm

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 15th, 2010, 4:33 pm

ausrwr wrote:Let's start a pool in Rich's result for the Nationals 1x this year. To make it clear, this is not a bet.
I want to set this up as a charity thing. In the unlikely event Rich is prepared to put his money where his mouth is, we set the event so that if Rich wins in his part of the bargain, he gets the money. If he doesn't deliver, he has to donate the money to a charity of our choice.

Perhaps:
i) Ranger beats Mike: I give Rich $1000
ii) Ranger comes second: I give Rich $500
iii) Ranger comes third: I give Rich $300
iv) Ranger makes the final: I give Rich $200
v) Ranger shows up and races: I give him $100
vi) Ranger DNFs: He donates $100 - I know that v and vi would cancel each other out...
vii) Ranger turns up and can't make weight: He donates $200
vii) Ranger turns up and DNSs: He donates $300
viii) Ranger does not show:: He donates $500
ix) Ranger does not enter: He donates $1000

Ranger, if your on-water stroke is so dialled-in, and it's obviously a lay-down misere that you're fit, there should be no trouble on you beating Mike, who is after all slow, can't rate high, weak, etc etc etc., and you'll collect a lazy thousand.

But on the other hand, as I maintain, you are a total blowhard who can't sit a boat properly, tries to row a boat with the same stroke OTW as on the erg, and has no respect for anyone but yourself, you'll not even enter, and you can donate a thousand to Help for Heroes.

Can you put a price on your pride?
My rowing, both OTW and off, is going great.

No complaints at all.

All of the betting, etc., is irrelevant, and needless.

As I approach 60 years old, I feel wonderful and am just having a good time.

No injuries, no staleness, no sickness, no discouragement, even though I am training maximally (up to four hours a day).

I wish you similar luck.

If I pull 6:16 on the erg, which I still think I have a great shot at, I catch Eskild E., who is only 37, and the greatest lightweight in the history of the sport.

Not bad.

Distance trials will tell the story.

Can I pull 1:44 for 60min?

We'll soon see.

1:44 for 60min predicts a 6:16 2K.

If I can rate 28 spm, the answer is yes.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 15th, 2010, 4:42 pm

bellboy wrote: A trained coach giving pertinent advice will always be ignored
Not at all.

This summer, I will seek out all of the expert advice that I can from the sculling coaches in the Ann Arbor rowing club.

I am also considering going to Craftsbury.

I don't teach this summer and therefore have all of the flexibility I need to pursue my rowing.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by bellboy » March 15th, 2010, 4:49 pm

Then i appear to have done you a great disservice and i apologise

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » March 15th, 2010, 5:10 pm

bellboy wrote:Then i appear to have done you a great disservice and i apologise
Not yet :lol:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 15th, 2010, 6:31 pm

It's great to have fun hobbies--and to be good at them.

As you age, endurance sports are especially rewarding, because they keep your health and well-being at a high level.

Then, life is all the richer, if you also have a nice professional, domestic, and personal life, too, as I do.

What if every 60-year-old male stripped themselves down to 10% body fat, working out four hours a day, running their heart rate into the 160s for a couple of hours, as I do?

Yikes.

Universal Euphoria.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by mikvan52 » March 15th, 2010, 8:03 pm

ranger wrote:
My OTW rowing is improving in leaps and bounds.

You make it sound as though it is mysterious how fast you are going when you are OTW.

No.

You just look at your speed coach.

I always know how fast I am going.
Always?

Here's some advice for those who continuously stare at their SpeedCoach monitors OTW: don't do it.
A better alternative is to get in a groove and keep your head level (not looking down).. You go faster because your form is automatically better with a level head

Rich:
Want a mark to hit OTW?
A great achievement for a 57-60 year old lightweight sculling in a single is being able to break 3:50 for 1k :o

Looks a little slow doesn't it ? This is because the erg does not simulate single sculling times... Believe me: this hurts...( I did it last summer), much more than erging a (say) 3:16 1K OTErg.

and Rich: You need to work on your sculler's trash talk.. The image suggested in saying "My OTW rowing is improving in leaps and bounds." will not spook an accomplished sculler.
FYI: A fast 1x is not like your fast erg which, indeed, does leap and bound. A 1x hull must move smoothly and horizontally. No "Hi Yo Silver" :idea:

I sincerely believe that the best erg stroke beats the best OTW stroke ... on the erg...
I try (and often fail) to maintain an OTW stroke on the erg... I believe that this is why I am slower than you on the erg.

Have you ever TT'ed a 1k on the water.... ever?
Have you ever TT'ed any distance OTW ???

I've another suggestion for you: Since you're "walking the walk" this year by attending Master's Nationals... Why not go to Masters Worlds too. They'll be in St. Catherines, Ontario.... How about it? When do you start up teaching again at UM? Worlds are the first week in September....

I'll be there. B)
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 16th, 2010, 2:30 am

mikvan52 wrote:I sincerely believe that the best erg stroke beats the best OTW stroke ... on the erg... U I
I try (and often fail) to maintain an OTW stroke on the erg... I believe that this is why I am slower than you on the erg.
I don't agree with this, Mike.

I think your problem is rating up, both OTW and off.

The limitation is physiological.

If you could rate 30 spm at the Head of the Charles, keeping your technique together, you would win, hands down.

You won't win if your inclination is to rate 24 spm, and even pushing it, only get to 26 spm.

Same is true on the erg.

Holding your technique together, e.g., at 11 SPI, you need to rate 28 for a HM, 30 spm for 10K, 32 spm for 5K.

Your inclination is to rate five spm below that.

For a little lightweight, that's rating too low.

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