The Two Types of Training

[hjs]

Yes.

I no longer do foundational rowing.

I am now getting ready for distance trials.

These distance trials will be my first reality testing, because I will be fully trained to race them.

My 2K races this year didn't test any reality.

Sure, I pulled WR pace for my age and weight, but I wasn't fully trained to race them.

ranger

You will not do let alone post any "testing"

You will soon pork up again above 85 like you do every summer

You will not get close to any OTW regatta.

Next season your 2k will again slow down further, but you will get the 60 plus wr.

You still ow me 1k plus interest and you ow rocket 20 $.

[rjw]

Over the next six weeks, I will be working hard to try to get more fully trained.

You have been saying this for quite some time now. When will you actually start?

[kini62]

Gene

In the interest of accuracy, you might check out 2003. It was 8 meters short of the quoted distance, but that is not significant when rounding it off to the nearest tenth of a kilometer. I didn't check any of the later years. The page shows only 2005-2010, but the scroll down goes to 2002, another year for which there is a ranking of well over 16 km.

Bob S.

Oh my mistake. I was not looking for the FAT Rangerette. Only the "greatest LW rower in the history of the sport".

Gene

[ranger]

You will soon pork up again above 85 like you do every summer

Nope.

I am going to stay a stable 160 lbs. this summer so that I can kick Mike VB's butt OTW in my 1x at the Nationals.



Shouldn't be hard at all.

Because of his low maxHR, Mike can't get the rate up.

I don't have any problem at all getting the rate up.

My maxHR is 190 bpm.

I can rate 36-38 spm in a 1K.

ranger

[ranger]

Next season your 2k will again slow down further

Yes, if I reach my peak and pull 6:16 for 2K this summer or fall, I suspect that my 2K will indeed start to slow down by a second or so a year from then on.

The improvement I am getting right now is just technical.

Once I establish and consolidate these technical gains, I won't have any other way to improve.

My fitness is already maximal.

ranger

[ranger]

Over the next six weeks, I will be working hard to try to get more fully trained.

You have been saying this for quite some time now. When will you actually start?

Start?

I am doing it every day.

I am now rowing at 30 spm in my training.

That's fine for distance trials.

So, trials in the FM, HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, and 5K are up next.

I want to rate 26 spm for a FM, 28 spm for a HM, 30 spm for 10K, 32 spm for 5K.

If I can hit these rate targets in my distance rowing, after some hard sharpening, rating up to 40 spm, I can rate 36 spm for 2K.

ranger

[whp4]

You will soon pork up again above 85 like you do every summer

Nope.

I am going to stay a stable 160 lbs. this summer so that I can kick Mike VB's butt OTW in my 1x at the Nationals.



Shouldn't be hard at all.

Because of his low maxHR, Mike can't get the rate up.

I don't have any problem at all getting the rate up.

My maxHR is 190 bpm.

I can rate 36-38 spm in a 1K.

ranger

It's not how many splashes per minute you can generate, it's how fast the boat goes...and having seen your footage (and how inexplicably proud you were of it), Mike doesn't have much to worry about from you. Well, so long as he can keep from laughing too much as he watches you recede into the distance, desperately frothing along, that is

I predict that the AARC 8 that you join will unite (your wife included) to throw you in the water before the fall. This is the only prediction I've made about you about which I have the slightest doubt, btw -- all the ones about you failing to achieve your latest pipe dream are about as much of a sure thing as knowing that buying a ticket to yesterday's lottery will be a waste of money. There might be some disagreement as to whether throwing you in is the right approach -- your wife might think backing over you with the boat trailer is more appropriate, for example

[hjs]

You will soon pork up again above 85 like you do every summer

Nope.

I am going to stay a stable 160 lbs. this summer so that I can kick Mike VB's butt OTW in my 1x at the Nationals.



Shouldn't be hard at all.

My maxHR is 190 bpm.

I can rate 36-38 spm in a 1K.

ranger

Shouldn,t he hard means, double for most but IMPOSSIBLE for you.

Yes at one time you hart able to beat 190 bpm, that LONG GONE HISTORY, if not simply show you pm with that 190 ticking

I actually do think you can rate 36/38 on a 1k yes, I think you you can rate above 50 if needed. but not very fast.

[hjs]

Next season your 2k will again slow down further

Yes, if I reach my peak and pull 6:16 for 2K this summer or fall, I suspect that my 2K will indeed start to slow down by a second or so a year from then on.

The improvement I am getting right now is just technical.

Once I establish and consolidate these technical gains, I won't have any other way to improve.

My fitness is already maximal.

ranger

For a native speaker your grasp on your language is rather poor, A LITTLE HINT, the keyword is this piece of text is FURTHER

[snowleopard]

That "16.7k" was also done as a heavyweight, though no doubt there will be claims that it wasn't.

It was also done as a Just Row.

[ranger]

having seen your footage

No, you haven;t seen me row OTW lately.

What you have seen is how I rowed two years ago.

My OTW rowing is improving in leaps and bounds.

You make it sound as though it is mysterious how fast you are going when you are OTW.

No.

You just look at your speed coach.

I always know how fast I am going.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike VB can row well, say, for 1K, but he can't rate up.

His maxHR is too low.

For instance, on the erg, if Mike pulls 12.3 SPI, he can only rate 30 spm for 1K.

That's _very_ low.

If he could rate 38 spm, he would go 8 seconds per 500m faster.

1:30 rather than 1:38.

This limitation doesn't have anything to do with bladework, etc.

The limitation is physiological.

ranger

[snowleopard]

Mike VB can row well, say, for 1K, but he can't rate up.

His maxHR is too low.

Why does having a low max HR affect the ability to row at a higher rating? I'm sure Mike can rate up as much as he likes. His HR only limits how hard he can pull, not how fast.

Anyway, what has Mike's rowing to do with you? Mike is already OTW and doing it. You, as usual, are just full of piss and wind.

[ranger]

Why does having a low max HR affect the ability to row at a higher rating? I'm sure Mike can rate up as much as he likes. His HR only limits how hard he can pull, not how fast.

Anyway, what has Mike's rowing to do with you? Mike is already OTW and doing it. You, as usual, are just full of piss and wind.

If he holds his technique steady, rowing well, Mike can't rate up, no matter where he is rowing, OTW or on the erg.

The problem is the same.

The limitation is not techniical.

It is physiological.

Why do I care about Mike's OTW rowing?

OTW, he is the reigning US National champion, both lwt and hwt, in my age division.

So he is setting the standards.

ranger

[ranger]

Beautiful 11 SPI distance stroke now, 1:43 @ 29 spm, right at 10 MPS, heels set, huge ratio, perhaps as high as 4-to-1, but perhaps only 3-to-1, HR riding at 160 bpm.

Maybe I can get a video of this stroke and Nav can tell me what my ratio is.

I can now use this pace, rate, and stroke for all of my everyday rowing.

Quality stuff!

1:43 is my pb 5K pace.

11 SPI for a stroking power is as good as the best elite young lightweights.

29 spm is a substantial rate, perfect for OTW, too.

The future of my rowing is clear:

Millions and millions of meters, 1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI, 10 MPS).

Heck, I wonder whether I can train myself to do it for a FM?

If I can hold that HR flat at 160 bpm, I will come _very_ close.

The drive on this stroke can't be more than .5 seconds.

Short and sweet.

Snappy, with no wasted motion.

Both catch and finish are _very_ fast.

_Huge_ rest on the recovery between drives (over a second and a half).

Beautiful force curve.

Instantaneous catch; smooth, fat, left-leaning haystack; 110 Newtons of peak power.

145 df.

1:43 is right around Mike VB's 2K race pace.

1:43 is about 10 seconds per 500m faster than I used to do my everyday distance rowing back in 2003.

At 30 spm, that's right around 3 SPI.

My natural stroke is now about 1/3 stronger than it was back in 2003.

Why?

I have learned how to use my legs.

ranger