The Two Types of Training

[kini62]

I will post a 60min score soon.

Why don't I try to beat Mike's score?

15.4K is a waste of time.

I can row all day at 1:56 pace.

In my first go, I want to try 1:46.

Then I'll do it a few more times, trying to press that down to 1:44.

ranger

No you won't. You never have, never will post anything beyond 2K. You can't row more than that without stopping to rest. At least at any pace remotely close to what you claim you can row.

15.4K is of course a "waste of time" for you because you can't do it.

You can't row 60 minutes at 1:56 let alone "all day".

At 1:46 your "first" go will result in a handle down, DNF at about the 7 minute mark. You can't consistently finish a 2K at that pace why on earth do you think anyone would believe you can do it for 60 minutes.

You are a little boy who constantly cries wolf. No one believes anything you say since your are proven pathological liar. Show us the wolf.
Gene

[hjs]

Come on guys let's help Tom a bit, hoe can he accomplish this ? reach this

Interesting typo.

Bob S.

[DavidA]

Come on guys let's help Tom a bit, hoe can he accomplish this ? reach this

Interesting typo.

Bob S.

I thought the same thing

David

[ranger]

I believe doing a 15500m 60 minute workout and posting it to the rankings as IND_V is no less a waste of time than going on a two hour bike ride.

Sure it is, if you have just spent an hour or two working with 1:43 @ 29 spm.

I have no need, or wish, to go back to rowing at 18 spm.

So I do my UT2 work on my bike.

I am never going to row at low rates again.

All that low rate junk is just "learn to row."

I now row well.

In my training at the moment, I am trying to keep my heartrate in and around my anaerobic threshold, the rate at 28-32 spm, the DPS at 10 MPS, and the ratio at 2-to-1, give or take.

I am grooving myself into the rhythm of this combination of things.

A lot of low rate trudging at 18 spm, heck, any low rate trudging at all, undermines these intentions.

One step forward, two steps back.

ranger

[ranger]

You are not a rower. You train on a stationary piece of exercise equipment in your basement, by yourself, day after day....I'm a ROWER

Sure, I train on my erg, when the lakes and rivers are frozen here in Michigan.

But when that is over, I row OTW just like you.

I have a Peinert26.

I don't know, but I probably did a million meters in it OTW last year.

I want to do about three times that this year.

This year, I am also going to do some sweep rowing with my wife for the Ann Arbor Rowing Club.

I learned how to row OTW there.

I have been sculling for six years.

If you just row OTW, what do you do in the winter?

Row on the ice?

ranger

[mikvan52]

Dear online friends and ranger too

I'm still in a very rainy and windy Florida trying to get as much water time as possible.
I read this banter about once a day for entertainment. ranger's hair splitting is getting a little tedious. I wonder where TomR gets all those nice photos

Rich... Do you promise to post IND_Vs at any distances fro the 2010 C2 year..?
Have you ever posted an IND_V (do you know how)?.. Old folks have problems with this I'm told

I do notice that hardly anyone reads about my training (the link is below). That's fine with me. It's for my own purposes mostly. Would love to hear from some of you who post here from time to time if you have a mind (except ranger as he seems to want to pontificate on things he doesn't know anything about. He used to ask me questions in my blog and I'd try to answer them seriously... Yet: He doesn't do that here... so I blocked him.

It is very bad karma to never share. IMHO

As for the 2010 2k erg racing season...it's over...

I'll state once again: Over this or the last five year(s) ranger has won no major championships but has better times than me at 2k OTErg... I am better than him at all other distances.
If he succeeds in any effort to surpass my marks at longer distances than 2k I will come off the water and beat his time (or distance) with an IND_V time...

I do not expect him to post any IND_V mark at anything beyond 2k... He has become a washout at these distances and hasn't posted anything in the last five years... WHy would that change now?

On another note:

I am headed to the San Diego Crew Classic to row 4 seat in an 8 at the end of the month...
"Real strokes for Real folks!"

Will ranger be there? No.
Will ranger row a head race OTW this year? No.
Will ranger row a 1k Masters sprint race this year? No.
Is ranger a rower? ..................... ( )

[nycbone]

This year, I am also going to do some sweep rowing with my wife for the Ann Arbor Rowing Club.

After which I will nominate her for sainthood. Yikes! Poor woman...

[TomR]

Don't waste you intelligence on ranger. Help me. How do I add Elizabeth Shue to my string? Seriously.

Come on guys let's help Tom a bit, how can he accomplish this ? reach this

Thank you, Henry.

Unlike deranged, I'm not wasting people's time carrying on about ridiculous and impossible goals. I merely hope to bed a few movie stars.

And unlike the professor fruit loop, I'm willing to listen to sound advice.

[ranger]

Rich... Do you promise to post IND_Vs at any distances fro the 2010 C2 year..?

You post IND_Vs, I post RACES.

Any chances that your racing will improve before April 30th?

Or have you shot your wad?

Your 2K times have been declining since January.

Why?

I think I will be as much as 20 seconds better over 2K by the end of April.

I am just starting some distance trials and hard sharpening.

What about you?

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | Current 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 101

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V

ranger

[PaulH]

You post IND_Vs, I post RACES.

No you don't. You don't have the authorization to post races, only C2 can do that. Criticizing Mike for something not in his control makes you look like a fool.

Your 2K times have been declining since January.

And yours have been declining since February. The difference is that you claim you're trying to improve yours, whereas Mike isn't trying to improve his. Criticizing Mike for failing to do something he's not trying to do makes you look like a fool.

[ranger]

The ultimate goal of distance rowing, I think, is pretty clear.

(1) Row well.

(2) Rate 30 spm.

(3) Train yourself to do it under you anaerobic threshold.

Or it could be said like this:

Rate 30 spm for 60min, rowing well.

If you know how to row well and are rowing for an much as an hour or two, once you are rating 30 spm, you have all the time in the world to play around with your stroke, getting a little more effectiveness here, a little more efficiency there, a little more relaxation here, a little less wasted motion there, a little more length here, a little more quickness there, and so on and so forth, hour after hour, session after session, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.

Even if you pull as little as 9 SPI, rating 30 spm, you are going 1:48.

If you can pull 10 SPI, you are going 1:45.

If you can pull 11 SPI, you are going 1:42.

If you can pull 12 SPI, you are going 1:39.

If you can pull 13 SPI, you are going 1:37.

At 30 spm, 10 MPS is 11.7 SPI and 1:40.

For me, that's ideal.

When I am rowing my best, I pull right around 11.7 SPI in my distance rowing.

I will do the vast majority my training from now on in and around 30 spm.

Great stuff.

There's that Head of the Charles stroke I have been looking for!

ranger

[ranger]

You don't have the authorization to post races, only C2 can do that.

If Mike just sends in his time to C2 with proof that it is a race result, C2 will change the result from IND_V to RACE.

It only takes a minute to do.

The people at C2 are prompt in responding and happy to do it for you.

ranger

[ranger]

I do not expect him to post any IND_V mark at anything beyond 2k... He has become a washout at these distances

Training is an opportunity to get better.

That's what I have been doing: training, trying to get better.

If you are trying hard to get better, racing your training undermines your efforts.

If you think that trying to get better is being a washout, then I guess we have different opinions about this.

Good luck with yours.

When my distance training is complete, I think I will be four or five seconds per 500m better than I used to be in my distance rows.

I am now more efficient and effective.

ranger

[ranger]

No you won't. You never have

Not true.

My best ranked piece for 60min is 16.7K.

I am now working on the technical skills I need to improve on that.

ranger

[ranger]

As for the 2010 2k erg racing season...it's over...

Yes, as far as your 2K time is concerned, the 2K season was over for you in January.

Why?

If you don't have any base to sharpen up, there is no use belaboring it.

But no, for the rowing community in general, rather than for just you, the 2K racing season is _never_ over.

You can race a 2K on the erg whenever you want.

You just set the monitor to 2K and pull to 0.

I understand your attitude toward the issue, though, given your training.

Why bother, when nothing have been invested and therefore no profit can come from it?

Why bother when you know that, willingly and willfully, you are just getting worse?

ranger