The Two Types of Training

[mikvan52]

rangerboy, ...

"skeletal-motor effectiveness and efficiency"???

what the hell is that?

leadville:

you've just become privy to one of ranger's trade secrets... you should feel honored!

Here's another beauty I just happened to stumble on...

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.p ... ow#p309233

read and weep

"Great Stuff"

and! if you click on the link above you will notice that the particular thread in question is a carbon copy of the more recent ones: no one agrees with him... genius goes unappreciated it seems, throughout eternity
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Roy Brook, 1:51 @ 27 spm, 10MPS
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This post was made by ranger who is currently on your ignore list.

As you can see I put him on "ignore" after a while.... too much "frothing" (his word )
836 pages of dissing Roy Brook... WOW!
3+ years later he's still dissing Roy and is still unable to do his UT1 6:38.0 lwt 2k...
Oh, those Fates are truly cruel beetches

[detlefchef]

The assumption you all are making is that, if you can only row 6:30, to row 6:16, you first have to row 6:28, then 6:26, then 6:24, then 6:22, then 6:20, then 6:18, etc.

Nope.

If you change your technique and work up an entirely different set of motions, levers, timings, sequencings, etc., slowly and thoroughly, from low rates to high, you can just row 6:16.

The training I have been doing has had nothing to do with fitness.

It has had to do with technical and skeletal-motor effectiveness and efficiency.

ranger

Well, for starters, at least right now, you're not starting from 6:30, you're starting from 6:41. Let's just get that little detail out of the way so nobody but you is fooling themselves into thinking we're working off a base that we're not working off. So, we're not talking about trimming 14 seconds all at once, we're really talking about trimming nearly a half a minute. Or, at very least, trimming over 10 seconds and then turning around and trimming another 14, just like that.

Regardless, to a degree, you are correct. You don't have to knock off PBs in 2 second increments. However, you don't just wake up one day and take 14 seconds off your PB. If you're capable of doing 6:16, then your workouts will reflect that. You will be able to do knock out 6:30-6:40 2K splits during longer training sessions. That sort of thing. There are signs. I'm new to rowing, but not new to sports in which people are timed. So I'm going to position myself on the side of the argument that says one random poet from Michigan has not figured something out, so revolutionary that it's good for what you're talking about.

[BrianStaff]

I have already rowed under 6:37 15 times.

Just when was the most recent of these? Can you give us any evidence at all?

[whp4]

Here's another beauty I just happened to stumble on...

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.p ... ow#p309233

read and weep

"Great Stuff"

Yeah, that's another fine rangerism. 27 strokes per minute, with 2 4 beat measures per stroke works out to be a metronome setting of 216 beats per minute. For a laugh, go to http://www.studybass.com/tools/online-metronome/, dial it up to 208 (as high as it goes) and imagine TSO trying to fit his flailing to the incessant tapping Also ignore his conclusion that 8/5 = 1.7 (oddly, no mention of his beloved golden ratio this time around, which is actually much closer to 8/5 than the 1.7 he got via the wonders of rangermath)

[mikvan52]

I have already rowed under 6:37 15 times.

Just when was the most recent of these? Can you give us any evidence at all?

Brian!, Brian!!

HWT=LWT
Fat = Muscle
Fat is not = to muscle
"I'm much better than that now"

.... understand now?

Really! Get with the program

[whp4]

I have already rowed under 6:37 15 times.

Just when was the most recent of these? Can you give us any evidence at all?

That would probably be 2003, if talking about performances as a weighed-in lightweight. Didn't he recently say that history doesn't matter?

[whp4]

My goals are indeed gone from my signature.

Now, in their place, we will have just results.

ranger

Yes 7.11 dns dns 6.41 dns 6.50 dnf dns put that in your sig then.

As I saw this post again, I was struck by a realization that one of ranger's favorite words is a fine summation of those results:

"Unprecedented!"

Has any other (former) WR holder, male, 40-70 ever had as many DNS/DNF results in their post-WR career as ranger now routinely turns in for a single season? We might be witnessing the creation of an untouchable WR for quitting!

[detlefchef]

My goals are indeed gone from my signature.

Now, in their place, we will have just results.

ranger

Yes 7.11 dns dns 6.41 dns 6.50 dnf dns put that in your sig then.

As I saw this post again, I was struck by a realization that one of ranger's favorite words is a fine summation of those results:

"Unprecedented!"

Has any other (former) WR holder, male, 40-70 ever had as many DNS/DNF results in their post-WR career as ranger now routinely turns in for a single season? We might be witnessing the creation of an untouchable WR for quitting!

The anti-Lou Gehrig?

[aharmer]

Okay, I'd like everybody to prepare themselves for what I'm about to suggest. Put down your coffee and be sure you will not disrupt your office with a burst of outrageous laughter...

I propose that we all refrain from commenting (or giving a damn in any way) about ranger or his stupid erg claims. UNTIL, that is, he posts screenshots of actual workouts. Every time he posts a time trial of any kind, a distance row of any kind, or an interval session of any kind we come back and heckle or congratulate him.

All the bullshit has been regurgitated 1000 times, it's not even entertaining to read his posts any longer. He'll have to post screenshots because receiving no attention is not an option. I for one will be adhering to this rule...it's much easier to quickly scroll through page upon page of nonsense when all you have to look for is a screenshot photo.

[ranger]

If you're capable of doing 6:16, then your workouts will reflect that. You will be able to do knock out 6:30-6:40 2K splits during longer training sessions. That sort of thing. There are signs.

Agreed.

Like 60min @ 1:44?

That predicts a 6:16 2K.

60min is done at 2K + 10.

The 50s _heavyweight_ WR for 60min is 1:46, done by Steve Krum, who has indeed pulled 6:16.

The 60s lwt WR for 60min is 1:52, eight seconds per 500m slower.

I'll see what I can do.

That should give us all some guidance.

ranger

[leadville]

I have already rowed under 6:37 15 times.

Just when was the most recent of these? Can you give us any evidence at all?

That would probably be 2003, if talking about performances as a weighed-in lightweight. Didn't he recently say that history doesn't matter?

to be precise, rangerboy said "history is irrelevant".

i kid you not.

[leadville]

Okay, I'd like everybody to prepare themselves for what I'm about to suggest. Put down your coffee and be sure you will not disrupt your office with a burst of outrageous laughter...

I propose that we all refrain from commenting (or giving a damn in any way) about ranger or his stupid erg claims. UNTIL, that is, he posts screenshots of actual workouts. Every time he posts a time trial of any kind, a distance row of any kind, or an interval session of any kind we come back and heckle or congratulate him.

All the bullshit has been regurgitated 1000 times, it's not even entertaining to read his posts any longer. He'll have to post screenshots because receiving no attention is not an option. I for one will be adhering to this rule...it's much easier to quickly scroll through page upon page of nonsense when all you have to look for is a screenshot photo.

I second the motion.

[Citroen]

Okay, I'd like everybody to prepare themselves for what I'm about to suggest. Put down your coffee and be sure you will not disrupt your office with a burst of outrageous laughter...

I propose that we all refrain from commenting (or giving a damn in any way) about ranger or his stupid erg claims. UNTIL, that is, he posts screenshots of actual workouts. Every time he posts a time trial of any kind, a distance row of any kind, or an interval session of any kind we come back and heckle or congratulate him.

All the bullshit has been regurgitated 1000 times, it's not even entertaining to read his posts any longer. He'll have to post screenshots because receiving no attention is not an option. I for one will be adhering to this rule...it's much easier to quickly scroll through page upon page of nonsense when all you have to look for is a screenshot photo.

I second the motion.

Use the shiny new forum software, add any forum users you'd like to suppress to your foes list and you won't see their posts.

Use GreaseMonkey with Gooseflight's (recently updated) script and you can suppress TSO's MUDO stuff without having him on your foes list.

If you don't see the noise you can more easily resist the temptation to reply to the inanely repetitive drivel.

[aharmer]

See what a hypocrite I am? Already posting here! I wish there were a way to ignore any post that didn't include a screenshot:)

I notice a few moments ago he said he would work on posting a 60 minute row at 1:44. That's what I'm talking about Rich...no need to post anything again, from any of us, until we see that screenshot. Good luck.

[Citroen]

See what a hypocrite I am? Already posting here! I wish there were a way to ignore any post that didn't include a screenshot:)

You can do that with a GreaseMonkey script by looking for any <img src=...> tags within <div class="content"> element you'll need to ignore <img> tags with src="./images/smilies/something.gif" or you'll trigger the script on a smilie