The Two Types of Training

[detlefchef]

Have you broken the WR for your current age and weight?

In 2006, when Rocket Roy set the 55s lwt WR at 6:38, I pulled 6:29.7, without even sharpening for it, in fact, without even doing hard distance/UT1 rowing, just on the basis of foundational training.

I am a year or so older than Roy.

ranger

Then why is the record not yours?

[ranger]

No, I do not think you can pull a 6:28.

Just the attitude I have been noting.

There is no support for your claim here at all.

It is just ill will.

Nay-saying, just for the sake of nay-saying.

ranger

[ranger]

Then why is the record not yours?

I haven't been training to beat Roy's record.

As I said, even without getting any better, I am 10 seconds better than Roy.

But I have not been training to be what I already am, or what I already have been.

I have been training to get a dozen seconds _better_ than what I already have been.

Different project entirely.

ranger

[ranger]

The assumption you all are making is that, if you can only row 6:30, to row 6:16, you first have to row 6:28, then 6:26, then 6:24, then 6:22, then 6:20, then 6:18, etc.

Nope.

If you change your technique and work up an entirely different set of motions, levers, timings, sequencings, etc., slowly and thoroughly, from low rates to high, you can just row 6:16.

The training I have been doing has had nothing to do with fitness.

It has had to do with technical and skeletal-motor effectiveness and efficiency.

ranger

[lancs]

In 2006, when Rocket Roy set the 55s lwt WR at 6:38, I pulled 6:29.7, without even sharpening for it, in fact, without even doing hard distance/UT1 rowing, just on the basis of foundational training

Then why is the record not yours?

Because he was a hwt for this row. A minor inconvenience when gunning for a lwt record. I believe his lwt best that year was somwhere in the region of 7 mins..

[ranger]

In 2006, when Rocket Roy set the 55s lwt WR at 6:38, I pulled 6:29.7, without even sharpening for it, in fact, without even doing hard distance/UT1 rowing, just on the basis of foundational training

Then why is the record not yours?

Because he was a hwt for this row. A minor inconvenience when gunning for a lwt record. I believe his lwt best that year was somwhere in the region of 7 mins..

My lightweight pb is 6:28; my heavyweight pb is 6:27.5.

It's a wash.

ranger

[detlefchef]

No, I do not think you can pull a 6:28.

Just the attitude I have been noting.

There is no support for your claim here at all.

It is just ill will.

Nay-saying, just for the sake of nay-saying.

ranger

I am not the one making the claim. You are making the claim, giving little besides cyclical and baseless arguments to back it up, and failing to achieve the intermediate goals you keep declaring here. So, what, besides blind faith does anyone here have to go on? So, it is my opinion, based on your lack of credible evidence to support what you can do, based on your continued failure to show up and do what you say you will, that you are not going to achieve this goal.

As for the record. You didn't answer my question. Why, if you rowed faster than the guy who now holds the WR, the very year he broke it, are you not the WR holder?

[ranger]

As for the record. You didn't answer my question. Why, if you rowed faster than the guy who now holds the WR, the very year he broke it, are you not the WR holder

Yes, I answered the question.

I haven't been training to row 6:37 or faster.

I have already rowed under 6:37 15 times.

I have been training to row 6:16.

Different matter entirely.

ranger

[detlefchef]

As for the record. You didn't answer my question. Why, if you rowed faster than the guy who now holds the WR, the very year he broke it, are you not the WR holder

Yes, I answered the question.

I haven't been training to row 6:37 or faster.

I have already rowed under 6:37 15 times.

I have been training to row 6:16.

Different matter entirely.

ranger

Oh for god's sake. No, you didn't freaking answer it. Someone else did, but you didn't. Thanks for playing, though.

[mikvan52]

In 2006, when Rocket Roy set the 55s lwt WR at 6:38, I pulled 6:29.7, without even sharpening for it, in fact, without even doing hard distance/UT1 rowing, just on the basis of foundational training

My lightweight pb is 6:28; my heavyweight pb is 6:27.5.

hmm... The hands of time show their dirty fingers...



Wasn't it about this time that regattas started tightening up their weigh-in procedures to guard against the shenanigans of the glory-weights who often successfully got to weigh in early?

Rich: Have you ever competed 2k on the erg at under 165 lbs? (Notice that I am specifically not asking if you got a 'lwt' designation. I want to know if what you weighed at stroke #1 of your 2ks...

Follow up question: How much do the contents of ten bottles of water weigh? You know! The ones you drink between weigh-in and the race...

Follow up question #2: Does dehydration have anything to do with DNFs and 7:11 performances by someone who can supposedly knock off a 6:38.0 anytime he feels like it??

[mikvan52]

long-term ranger followers will remember how ranger goes ape when C2 adjusts their rules to avoid fakery....

ranger is really Ringo!

[lancs]

I have already rowed under 6:37 15 times.

As a hwt or a younger than 55-59 year old lwt. I always feel it's important to give the full picture to the Prof's posts, since he fails to. Wasn't there once a poster on the old US forum called 'TruthPointerOuter'? Where's he when you need him?!

[DUThomas]

what was not measured, is your claim that it was not an all-out effort

I didn't say it wasn't an all-out effort.

I said I am not fully trained.

I have only done UT work to this point.

You can't do your best 2K without bringing up your anaerobic capacities.

Why have I taken so much time developing my UT training?

In the end, when you are fully trained, AT, TR, and AN work has no bearing on how fast you are over 2K.

Interesting that your 6:41.4 was a UT1 effort a few days ago and today it was an all-out effort. Please explain.

And please explain why you "can't do your best 2K without bringing up your anaerobic capacities" when "AT, TR, and AN work has no bearing on how fast you are over 2K."

You said, "In 2006, when Rocket Roy set the 55s lwt WR at 6:38, I pulled 6:29.7, without even sharpening for it, in fact, without even doing hard distance/UT1 rowing, just on the basis of foundational training." Yet, this year, you have spent "so much time developing [your] UT training," and your all-out effort yields ... 6:41.4. So, in four years or less, you have lost nearly 12 seconds off your 2K time. Your physical abilities are waning, and don't get me started on your command of logic or language ("I layed on my back" -- really?).

No wonder you're cranky today. You know, I bet macroth or detlefchef will give you the hug you need!

[leadville]

The assumption you all are making is that, if you can only row 6:30, to row 6:16, you first have to row 6:28, then 6:26, then 6:24, then 6:22, then 6:20, then 6:18, etc.

Nope.

If you change your technique and work up an entirely different set of motions, levers, timings, sequencings, etc., slowly and thoroughly, from low rates to high, you can just row 6:16.

The training I have been doing has had nothing to do with fitness.

It has had to do with technical and skeletal-motor effectiveness and efficiency.

ranger

rangerboy, you've gone and done the impossible.

you came out with a statement that is even dumber than the other eye-rollers you've graced this forum with.

"skeletal-motor effectiveness and efficiency"???

what the hell is that?

changing the rowing stroke is not going to get anyone 25 seconds. If there was a different stroke that delivered those results, everyone would be using it. You don't think that gazillions of coaches, athletes, scientists, physics majors, Olympic development programs haven't tried to find a different and faster stroke? That somehow you've found the Holy Grail of rowing?

your Quixotic pursuit will fail for two reasons. One, because it is not possible. Two, the rowing gods now know you are a self-admitted dolt.

[BrianStaff]

I will have all the respect.

You want respect...then quit telling lies

A solid four hours a day or so of high quality physical work, two hours on the erg and two hours on my bike.

Ooops! there's another lie ~ prove to us that you do 2 hours per day on the erg.