The Two Types of Training

[macroth]

That would be like a parents saying to a kid that, now isn't the time, but when the kid is fifty years old or so, and success has already been achieved, they'd be happy to give the kid the love and support it needs it succeed.


ranger

There are those daddy issues again. Although it would seem appropriate to treat you like an unloved child.

There, there, ranger, we'll still love you even if you keep failing miserably to reach your ridiculous goals while behaving like an asshole.
Hmm, I'm not very good at this.

[detlefchef]

The fact that you've pulled the fastest 2K recorded on the website among guys your age this year does not prove any of us "nay-sayers" wrong

True.

But it also has had no effect on your understanding of my project or sympathy with it.

That's the point.

I am just done with my UT training, but I just pulled the best 2K anyone my age and weight has ever pulled, nonetheless.

This is insignificant?

If so, explain why.

ranger

It is insignificant because, given how wildly your story has been changing that we have little reason to take your word for anything that can't be measured. Hell, do you realize how many times you've changed your story on how old you are? What is measurable is that you rowed a 6:41.4. What is not measurable. Or, at least, what was not measured, is your claim that it was not an all-out effort.

A claim that, frankly seems a bit hard to believe considering that you had not made any mention of this prior to the race, this being a race, and your claims prior to said race that you were going to go 6:32 (or something, because frankly I've lost track of the prediction). So, it just seems a bit too convenient that, after failing to do what you said you were going to do, that was the result of an unannounced decision to not lay it all out.

[detlefchef]

In the event that you roll your 6:16, then allow me to be the first to offer you a hearty congratulations.

From a social and personal perspective, it's a little late then, don't you think, given what has been said in such high tones for so long?

After the fact support, after wildly abusive dismissal, for years, all along the way?

I'm not sure how you can justify that one, or feel good about it.

No one needs support _after_ they accomplish something of that magnitude.

That would be like a parents saying to a kid that, now isn't the time, but when the kid is fifty years old or so, and success has already been achieved, they'd be happy to give the kid the love and support it needs it succeed.

Wretched stuff.

ranger

Did you notice that detlefchef joined this forum on January 11, 2010?

Yep, and I think I figured out, all on my own that ranger was a total douchebag by Jan 12th

[chgoss]

if you can row at 1:40 at 30 SPM for distance work how can you ever fail to deliver a Sub 7 2k ? you just get on the Erg like your going to do 10K and stop at 2K and your a 6:40

Yep.
Pretty nice, huh?

Rich, your fastest 2k this year is a 6:41 (1:40.3 pace), and you are claiming you can do a 5k in 16:40 (1:40 pace)?

Either that makes no sense at all, or making weight is extremely difficult for you.

[lancs]

Either that makes no sense at all, or making weight is extremely difficult for you.

.. or he's a pathological liar with a personality disorder and access to the internet..

[Byron Drachman]

I'll try to get the same cadence out OTW when I get back in my 1x in May.

May?

I had a nice long row on the Grand River this morning and ended up doing the last half in shorts and a T shirt, You should get out more.

[jliddil]

Do we need an intervention?

[mikvan52]

Hi all:
I'm only getting online infrequently these days (while I'm training in Florida {check link below if anyone wants to read about training })

Just read five pages of this stuff... kinda feels like going to Dunkin' Donuts and only being served the hole in the donut... ...

The best I can gather now is that "Lord Elgin" is now completely w/o marbles....
Our RWB poster boy has now retreated into being happy with his results and unhappy that he "don't git no respect"



More on ME!...
I'm stacking up quality OTW workouts like flapjacks at a diner...
Sorta makes me wonder what ranger will do for an excuse when it comes time to explain away all those future no-shows at OTW regattas...

Rich: You do know that erging by itself doesn't make you fast OTW, don't you?

This reminds me:
I had an interesting conversation with a rowing coach last night who has worked for years with Masters 8s...
One of the stronger specimens in one of his boats once complained that learning the OTW stroke was ruining his erg stroke (!!) The athlete quit so he could concentrate on the erg....

That's the first time I've ever heard of such a phenomenon.... I guess this kind of thing goes both ways...

How about you RIch? Do you go both ways?

[snowleopard]

You [ranger] should get out more.

Byron, Byron. Think of the poor fishes

[mikvan52]

You [ranger] should get out more.

Byron, Byron. Think of the poor fishes

Indeed!

http://www.riverlaw.us/images/381_lots_of_fish.jpg

The Red Baron of Ann Arbor guns them down by the bushel, more effectively and efficiently than the Red Tide...

[nysaag]

Has Ranger paid his debts?

[ranger]

What you are doing is claiming miracles

No, not miracles at all.

The claim is that I might be able to get a dozen seconds better on the erg in a 2K by learning how to row well.

I don't think that this is an unreasonable claim at all.

I pulled a lightweight 6:28 without knowing how to row.

The claim is just that good leverage, length, timing, sequencing, ratio, etc., not to mention training that concentrates on these technical and mechanical weaknesses until it overcomes them, could get me as much three seconds per 500m over 2K beyond this.

You think it can't?

ranger

[ranger]

Have you broken the WR for your current age and weight?

In 2006, when Rocket Roy set the 55s lwt WR at 6:38, I pulled 6:29.7, without even sharpening for it, in fact, without even doing hard distance/UT1 rowing, just on the basis of foundational training at low rates.

I am a year or so older than Roy.

ranger

[ranger]

what was not measured, is your claim that it was not an all-out effort

I didn't say it wasn't an all-out effort.

I said I am not fully trained.

I have only done UT work to this point.

You can't do your best 2K without bringing up your anaerobic capacities.

Why have I taken so much time developing my UT training?

In the end, when you are fully trained, AT, TR, and AN work has no bearing on how fast you are over 2K.

Everyone sharpens in just about the same way for just about the same effect.

Everything important about how fast you will be be over 2K when you are fully trained is contained in your UT training.

When you are fully trained, how fast you are over 2K depends on your effectiveness and efficiency, not your anaerobic capacities.

Your 2K is only as good as your 60min @ 10 MPS.

ranger

[detlefchef]

What you are doing is claiming miracles

No, not miracles at all.

The claim is that I might be able to get a dozen seconds better on the erg in a 2K by learning how to row well.

I don't think that this is an unreasonable claim at all.

I pulled a lightweight 6:28 without knowing how to row.

The claim is just that good leverage, length, timing, sequencing, ratio, etc., not to mention training that concentrates on these technical and mechanical weaknesses until it overcomes them, could get me as much three seconds per 500m over 2K beyond this.

You think it can't?

ranger

So what happened to 6:16?

Regardless. No, I do not think you can pull a 6:28.