The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

if you can row at 1:40 at 30 SPM for distance work how can you ever fail to deliver a Sub 7 2k ? you just get on the Erg like your going to do 10K and stop at 2K and your a 6:40

Yep.

Pretty nice, huh?

Such are the glories of high stroking power, solid technique, and quality UT1/"threshold" rowing.

If you row like this for your UT1 work, that is, with a heart rate under your anaerobic threshold, there is no reason to stop at 2K, though.

Just keep rowing.

A standard UT1 session for many people, including me, is 20K.

Level 3

This is what I'll do now--every day that I'm not sharpening--off into the future--as far as I can see.

Great training.

No reason to row at rates below 30 spm ever again.

No reason to work on technique and stroking power.

What to do now?

Just row.

Why?

I now row well.

My stroke is now _both_ effective and efficient.

ranger

[snowleopard]

off into the future as far as I can see.

Good. Do us all a favour and leave your keyboard behind.

[ranger]

I thought you said a 20 year old Elite rower last week ?

No, just 30-year-old.



ranger

[leadville]

who cares what how tall I am, how much I weigh, and what my erg 2k is

I do.

It would interesting to find out whether you are just another broken down lazy old blowhard or someone who can still actually do something.

ranger

rangerboy - i don't give a rats ass what you think.

you've lost any chance to earn any respect. I respect Spousta, MikevB, Roy, Byron, Nav, Bloomp and the thousands of others who've graced the sport of rowing - people who have class, respect their sport and fellow athletes. You aren't a rower, you're a quitter.

[ranger]

you've lost any chance to earn any respect

No, just the opposite.

If I succeed, then all of the ridicule, character assassination, and disbelief aimed unjustifiably at me here by the whole community will have just been a huge mistake.

I will have all the respect.

The community will be humiliated--or at least, should be--for its self-centered presumptuousness, exclusiveness, and ill will, not to mention lack of imagination and grace.

Will I succeed?

Beats me.

But things are going _very_ well.

I am still doing great, rowing right on my targets.

No illness, no staleness, no injury, no discouragement.

A solid four hours a day or so of high quality physical work, two hours on the erg and two hours on my bike.

All of the hard work (i.e., learning how to row well) is done.

Now, I am just playing out the consequences of my long and diligent training.

Now I am just going for good results.

ranger

[ranger]

Okeedokee, boys and girls.

Lots of pages. Anything new?

Yes Tom,

The nutty pro has given up on his "Goals" the are removed and history forever, I don,t think any sportsman ever didn,t reach his targets by such a big margin.

What you can't imagine, you can't accomplish.

But once you accomplish something, it is no longer imaginary.

My goals are indeed gone from my signature.

Now, in their place, we will have just results.

ranger

[hjs]

Okeedokee, boys and girls.

Lots of pages. Anything new?

Yes Tom,

The nutty pro has given up on his "Goals" the are removed and history forever, I don,t think any sportsman ever didn,t reach his targets by such a big margin.

What you can't imagine, you can't accomplish.

But once you accomplish something, it is no longer imaginary.

My goals are indeed gone from my signature.

Now, in their place, we will have just results.

ranger

Yes 7.11 dns dns 6.41 dns 6.50 dnf dns put that in your sig then.

[ranger]

put that in your sig

My best recent 2K is in my sig.

Over the next seven weeks, I'll update it as I sharpen and get faster and faster.



I'll also be racing all of the other events and listing these results in my sig.

It was especially silly to try to row 2Ks at max drag, given my better technique.

145 df. is much better.

At lower drag, you can do with speed what you need to with brawn at a higher drag, and speed seems to be less costly.

I get three seconds per 500m (1.3 SPI) at the same rate by lifting the drag from 145 df. to 185 df., but it's not worth it in the end.

I still get a solid 11.7 SPI (e.g., 1:40 @ 30 spm) rowing at 145 df.

Even without more training, I think my 2K, right now, will be much better if I row at 145 df.

ranger

[detlefchef]

you've lost any chance to earn any respect

No, just the opposite.

If I succeed, then all of the ridicule, character assassination, and disbelief aimed unjustifiably at me here by the whole community will have just been a huge mistake.

I will have all the respect.

The community will be humiliated--or at least, should be--for its self-centered presumptuousness, exclusiveness, and ill will, not to mention lack of imagination and grace.

Will I succeed?

Beats me.

But things are going _very_ well.

I am still doing great, rowing right on my targets.

No illness, no staleness, no injury, no discouragement.

A solid four hours a day or so of high quality physical work, two hours on the erg and two hours on my bike.

All of the hard work (i.e., learning how to row well) is done.

Now, I am just playing out the consequences of my long and diligent training.

Now I am just going for good results.

ranger

I'll give you this much. I completely agree with the first part. In the event that you roll your 6:16, then allow me to be the first to offer you a hearty congratulations. I have no problem with pompous a-holes, provided they back up their talk. Something that you haven't come close to doing. What you are doing is claiming miracles, coming up with very solid efforts that are nowhere near the miracles you promised, and then trying to fall back on pointing out how solid your effort really was in the big picture, despite the fact that you fell so far short of your claims.

The fact that you've pulled the fastest 2K recorded on the website among guys your age this year does not prove any of us "nay-sayers" wrong because we weren't saying you couldn't pull a 6:41, we were saying you couldn't pull a 6:28, or 6:32, or 6:16, or whatever the moving target of impossibility you keep throwing out there. And we're still saying it and nothing short of actually doing this should be considered a victory for you because of the insulting manner you go about declaring your "dreams".

The problem is, you are not, as you claim, "rowing right on your targets". Because you keep telling us you're going to do this or do that, and then you don't. Worse still, you move on immediately and pretend you never made those claims and just start in again with the "my stroke is perfect, I'm right on track" garbage as if we couldn't simply go back a few pages in this thread and see for ourselves where you called your shot.

We're not haters. If it were anyone else. Anyone who displayed even a shred of humility that was gunning for records. Someone who gave the board just a little credit for not being gullible dipshits and didn't insist that they were going to not only break, but totally obliterate records before they even broke them to begin with, we'd be cheering them on the whole time. Hey, there's an idea. Say you're going to break the US record. Then, when you do that, say the next stop is the WR. Then, when you do that, say you're going to push the envelope even further. You'll have everyone behind you the entire time.

We're not haters. We just think you're a douchebag.

[ranger]

Someone who gave the board just a little credit for not being gullible dipshits and didn't insist that they were going to not only break, but totally obliterate records before they even broke them to begin with, we'd be cheering them on the whole time. Hey, there's an idea. Say you're going to break the US record. Then, when you do that, say the next stop is the WR. Then, when you do that, say you're going to push the envelope even further. You'll have everyone behind you the entire time.

Well, you have missed out on my history.

What you describe here is just what I did when I first took up rowing.

But every step of the way, I pretty much just got howls of derision and nay-saying, nonetheless, often from very prominent rowers, even though they turned out, in the end, to be entirely wrong.

The nay-saying went on for years, and it is still going on, even though I kept reaching my goals, one by one.

I have already broken the WR for my age and weight three times.

So there is no reason to work up to it.

Because I had done this, I made it clear that I was exactly trying, as you say, to "stretch the envelope."

I have described in great detail how I have tried to do that, but have only gotten dismissals and further hootings.

So what you claim here is entirely false.

ranger

[ranger]

The fact that you've pulled the fastest 2K recorded on the website among guys your age this year does not prove any of us "nay-sayers" wrong

True.

But it also has had no effect on your understanding of my project or sympathy with it.

That's the point.

I am just done with my UT training, but I just pulled the best 2K anyone my age and weight has ever pulled, nonetheless.

This is insignificant?

If so, explain why.

ranger

[detlefchef]

Someone who gave the board just a little credit for not being gullible dipshits and didn't insist that they were going to not only break, but totally obliterate records before they even broke them to begin with, we'd be cheering them on the whole time. Hey, there's an idea. Say you're going to break the US record. Then, when you do that, say the next stop is the WR. Then, when you do that, say you're going to push the envelope even further. You'll have everyone behind you the entire time.

Well, you have missed out on my history.

What you describe here is just what I did when I first took up rowing.

But every step of the way, I pretty much just got howls of derision and nay-saying, nonetheless, often from very prominent rowers, even though they turned out, in the end, to be entirely wrong.

The nay-saying went on for years, and it is still going on, even though I kept reaching my goals, one by one.

I have already broken the WR for my age and weight three times.

So there is no reason to work up to it.

Because I had done this, I made it clear that I was exactly trying, as you say, to "stretch the envelope."

I have described in great detail how I have tried to do that, but have only gotten dismissals and further hootings.

So what you claim here is entirely false.

ranger

Have you broken the WR for your current age and weight?

If not, that might be a nice place to start before you start claiming you're going to break it by 15 seconds.

[ranger]

In the event that you roll your 6:16, then allow me to be the first to offer you a hearty congratulations.

From a social and personal perspective, it's a little late then, don't you think, given what has been said in such high tones for so long?

After the fact support, after wildly abusive dismissal, for years, all along the way?

I'm not sure how you can justify that one, or feel good about it.

No one needs support _after_ they accomplish something of that magnitude.

That would be like a parents saying to a kid that, now isn't the time, but when the kid is fifty years old or so, and success has already been achieved, they'd be happy to give the kid the love and support it needs it succeed.

Wretched stuff.

ranger

[ranger]

Have you broken the WR for your current age and weight?

That's not what I am training for.

If I trained for that, I couldn't do what I am training for.

What is demanded is wildly different in the two cases.

Clearly, all kinds of people are going to beat Rocket Roy's 55s lwt WR pretty soon, not just me.

It is _very_ soft.

ranger

[DUThomas]

In the event that you roll your 6:16, then allow me to be the first to offer you a hearty congratulations.

From a social and personal perspective, it's a little late then, don't you think, given what has been said in such high tones for so long?

After the fact support, after wildly abusive dismissal, for years, all along the way?

I'm not sure how you can justify that one, or feel good about it.

No one needs support _after_ they accomplish something of that magnitude.

That would be like a parents saying to a kid that, now isn't the time, but when the kid is fifty years old or so, and success has already been achieved, they'd be happy to give the kid the love and support it needs it succeed.

Wretched stuff.

ranger

Did you notice that detlefchef joined this forum on January 11, 2010?

Aren't we feeling a wee bit sorry for ourselves?