The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Byron Drachman
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Byron Drachman » March 6th, 2010, 4:24 pm

Ranger wrote:Nothing official could come of it, given no weigh-ins, etc.
That's not right. Some events did have weight classes. Your event, the veteran men, did not use weight classes but did use age handicapping.

So the no weigh-in and "not much into it" were the reasons for the DNF. It had nothing to do with the usual fly 'n die. Yep, that sounds right.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 4:26 pm

yankeerunner wrote: I predict that he will be delighted with his progress.
Indeed I am.

I think I will pull 6:16 by the end of April.

I'll start posting some distance times that suppport this.

I am just finishing up my UT work.

I haven't even done any AT work, except what I have been trying to do in races.

So a lot still needs to be done before I pull my best 2K.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 4:27 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:Nothing official could come of it, given no weigh-ins, etc.
That's not right. Some events did have weight classes
Sure, but no weigh-ins.

They didn't even set up a scale.

They just said they would take my word for it, if I wanted to be considered a lightweight.

:D :D

That would be enough evidence, don't you think?

:D :D

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 4:29 pm

The daily task now is 5K training.

AT

Level 2

Repeat 2Ks.

Actually, I am looking forward to this work, given my preparation to this point.

I am now pulling 12.5 SPI.

So, I will try to work 2Ks up to 10 MPS.

1:37 @ 31 spm (10 MPS, 12.4 SPI)

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 4:36 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:It had nothing to do with the usual fly 'n die.
If you do a max 2K, as they are designed, you indeed die, more than a little.

I think you want to pick your times when you suffer these (more-than-a-little) deaths, no?

As with Steve G, I think you don't know what I am talking about.

Oh well.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » March 6th, 2010, 4:39 pm

ranger wrote:Are you even racing on the erg now?
Hey, Trollboy, seems you can't even remember how to race on the erg.

DNF = WTF? And that's rangerbra. Like algebra, just wrong.

Tell y' what. slugganotherbottleocanadianclub and you will feel much better about yourself.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by DUThomas » March 6th, 2010, 4:46 pm

ranger wrote:I just layed on my back.
Oh, good grief. You are an associate professor in which department?
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Byron Drachman » March 6th, 2010, 4:52 pm

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:It had nothing to do with the usual fly 'n die.
If you do a max 2K, as they are designed, you indeed die, more than a little.
I think you want to pick your times when you suffer these (more-than-a-little) deaths, no?
As with Steve G, I think you don't know what I am talking about.
Oh well.
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Strange as it may seem, I do see your point.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JimR » March 6th, 2010, 5:09 pm

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:Nothing official could come of it, given no weigh-ins, etc.
That's not right. Some events did have weight classes
Sure, but no weigh-ins.

They didn't even set up a scale.

They just said they would take my word for it, if I wanted to be considered a lightweight.

:D :D

That would be enough evidence, don't you think?

:D :D

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by JimR » March 6th, 2010, 5:11 pm

DUThomas wrote:
ranger wrote:I just layed on my back.
Oh, good grief. You are an associate professor in which department?
Is poetics really a department? It seems meaningless ... like the department of feel good about yourself.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by detlefchef » March 6th, 2010, 5:20 pm

ranger wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:Nothing official could come of it, given no weigh-ins, etc.
That's not right. Some events did have weight classes
Sure, but no weigh-ins.

They didn't even set up a scale.

They just said they would take my word for it, if I wanted to be considered a lightweight.

:D :D

That would be enough evidence, don't you think?

:D :D

ranger
I can assure you that none of us would give two shits about whether or not you were overweight class had you, in fact, rowed sub 6:30. Mostly because all of us are about certain that this will never happen whether you're LWT or HWT.

In short, you're a complete fraud. Lemme guess. You went out at about 1:37, completely fell apart around 1300m and would rather just dismiss the meet as crap than have a 7:00+ time on record. Check that; another 7:00+ time on record.
41 years, 195 lbs 500m 1:30.5, 1K 3:13.6, 2K 6:52.4

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 5:31 pm

No lightweight result at the Grosse Ile venue has any official standing.

There was no scale.

There was no weigh-in.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 5:32 pm

detlefchef wrote:In short, you're a complete fraud.
Well, true, I have only completed my UT rowing.

So my racing has been weak.

It has only been better than anyone my age and weight has ever done, while, fully trained, I think I will do in the range of 25 seconds better than anyone my age and weight have ever done.

But I guess we'll just have to wait six weeks until I am fully trained to see whether this is right.

In the meantime, nonetheless, on only UT training, my 2K stands about 20 seconds better than anyone my age and weight (or older).

I am not _entirely_ unhappy with that.

Would you be?

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (59–70) | Current 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 155

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Hugh Pite 65 Victoria BC CAN 7:02.7 RACE
3 Robert Lakin 61 Wichita KS USA 7:03.6 RACE
4 gregory brock 62 santa cruz ca USA 7:03.9 IND
5 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
6 Jerry Lawson 62 USA 7:06.0 RACE
6 Gerald Lawson 62 Winona MN USA 7:06.0 IND
8 Leif Petersen 64 DEN 7:08.5 RACE
9 Peter Francis 61 Denver CO USA 7:09.3 RACE
10 Roger Prowse 65 Isle of Wight GBR 7:10.3 RACE

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by NavigationHazard » March 6th, 2010, 5:50 pm

If you're going to pick and choose your all-out 2ks, as opposed to random handle-down attempts, why on earth would you attempt one in six weeks? There aren't any C2-sanctioned indoor 2k races in six weeks. At best, any result you managed could only be an IND_V_ submission for which there always would be doubts about weight. Unless you pull out the fingers in NY next weekend, or find something in Britain over the summer, you're pretty much SOL for competitions until at least BIRC next November.

EDIT: actually there's now an race in Newburgh NY on 20 March, and another at Swan Creek RC in NJ on 27 March. The Swan Creek one is fun -- in the past they've convened INSIDE a microbrewery....
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » March 6th, 2010, 5:52 pm

Trollboy wrote:on only UT training
UT is sharpening? You have a lot to learn. Or were you lying about sharpening.

BTW why are you comparing yourself to people older than you? Everyone gets slower as they get older, no?

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