The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by jliddil » March 5th, 2010, 11:28 pm

ranger wrote:If I just stroke steadily

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Nosmo » March 5th, 2010, 11:31 pm

BrianStaff wrote:
ranger wrote:
Brian Staff wrote:When does sharpening start?
When I get a solid AT 2K at 32 spm.
So, you have not yet pulled a 2K at 32spm?
of course he has. he just can't do it at AT yet!

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 7:08 am

Over the next six weeks, the workouts that will be crucial for me, I think, are repeat 2Ks, of whatever number, perhaps up to 10 (a Zatopek 2K workout).

When I was a runner, my favorite workout was repeat miles.

Great stuff.

If I concentrate of these long intervals, I think I can get so that I can rate 30-32 in repeat 2Ks before the end of April.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by ranger » March 6th, 2010, 7:10 am

TomR wrote:Tomorrow he won't come anywhere near 6.30 for 2k
You mean like Mike VB, who missed his target by 12 seconds at WIRC 2010?

No, I think I'll do quite a bit better than that in estimating my abilities, and unlike Mike's wild misjudgment, without any predictive sharpening workouts for guidance.

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by snowleopard » March 6th, 2010, 7:14 am

ranger wrote:
TomR wrote:Tomorrow he won't come anywhere near 6.30 for 2k
You mean like Mike VB, who missed his target by 12 seconds at WIRC 2010?

No, I think I'll do quite a bit better than that in estimating my abilities, and unlike Mike's wild misjudgment, without any predictive sharpening workouts for guidance.

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You mean like your last week's prediction of 6:28 against 6:50 and change? Only > 22 seconds out, not bad. But that's rangermath for you :roll:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by hjs » March 6th, 2010, 7:28 am

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:mike's list
No, your list is history.



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At least he has a history, you history in the 55/60 bracket is almost empty, you have a few 6.40/50 , lots of 7 plus races and even more DNS.
On all onther distances your history is .................... blank. :roll:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by hjs » March 6th, 2010, 7:35 am

ranger wrote:
TomR wrote:Tomorrow he won't come anywhere near 6.30 for 2k
You mean like Mike VB, who missed his target by 12 seconds at WIRC 2010?

No, I think I'll do quite a bit better than that in estimating my abilities, and unlike Mike's wild misjudgment, without any predictive sharpening workouts for guidance.

ranger
You, on the other hand are only just 26 seconds away from your target,

Mike did win the hamer again , you won the closed bat cave race in the dark, in Ann Arbour. :lol:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Byron Drachman » March 6th, 2010, 8:25 am

Our intrepid hero is packing 10 water bottles, bobble hat, cape, etc. into the bat-mobile, about to make the journey. Our hero says to himself,
I think I am a little late with my training still. I suspect that I will reach a peak next year, not this year.
The doubt quickly vanishes from his mind, replaced with
I don't need any help with erging (my stroke is perfect)
" and
I'll get a sub-6:30 2K.
No wait.
"I now row like Eskild. In fact, I might be faster. I might row under 6:00 for 2K.
I assume this is the event:

http://girowing.com/documents/2010%20Is ... prints.pdf

Will our hero row the veteran race? I can't tell from the form, but it appears there are no weight divisions for that race but there are age handicaps. Will he row in the open lightweight men race? The tension builds.

In case you missed it, here is an interview from last month:

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by Steve G » March 6th, 2010, 8:49 am

Looks like another event with no stroke data etc.
Can't remember when he last did an event which was open to scrutiny.
Would love to see the stroke data from his racing_with_breaks technique!

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by TomR » March 6th, 2010, 10:14 am

jliddil wrote:
ranger wrote:If I just stroke steadily

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Excellent post.

Sub six if stroking that.
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by rjw » March 6th, 2010, 11:04 am

ranger wrote:Over the next six weeks, the workouts that will be crucial for me, I think, are repeat 2Ks, of whatever number, perhaps up to 10 (a Zatopek 2K workout).
If I had 2 bits for every time Ranger used a phase like this...........
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by lintonwilson » March 6th, 2010, 11:47 am

ranger....DNF
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by BrianStaff » March 6th, 2010, 11:54 am

lintonwilson wrote:ranger....DNF
Wow! what a loser!

He should start doing instead of talking.

"walking the walk" ~ fail !
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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by aharmer » March 6th, 2010, 12:24 pm

Nothing surprising there. A DNF perfectly matches all the workout results he promises to post. None of them ever get finished either.

You'd think this soap opera would now be dead...somehow I can't imagine that happening.

By the way, now that the real rowers are heading outside, does the erg talk continue on the forum or does that fall off substantially until next winter?

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Re: The Two Types of Training

Post by TomR » March 6th, 2010, 12:25 pm

TomR wrote:
ranger wrote: . . . I think I will pull a 2K, 1:37 @ 32 spm, the day after tomorrow, Saturday morning, in Detroit.

Please do set off at a 1.37 pace. Any rate.

That is a guarantee of failure. You'll be lucking to be pulling 1.45s when you hit 750 to go.
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