The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

mike's list

No, your list is history.

Put up some numbers over the next two months.

Then we can compare.

You are slowing down in leaps and bounds.

I am speeding up in leaps and bounds.

The times we put up for the various distances will tell the story.

In the end, across the board, the gaps in our times will be in the range of seven seconds per 500m.

There's that seven seconds per 500m again!



ranger

[ranger]

Have fun with futzing in your vain attempt to get under 6:40

I haven't even done distance trials yet, Mike, much less sharpened.

I am just looking for a solid sub-6:30 AT 2K.

Then I will start the hard work.

Everything else is in place--stroking power, technique, weight, aerobic capacity, basic fitness, training volume, strength, endurance, etc.

As far as I can tell, I am right on track to pull 6:16.

ranger

[jliddil]

Everything else is in place-stroking

[snowleopard]

The ideal body composition for an elite OTW lightweight.

Whch you aren't, so the basis for the comparison escapes me.

[ranger]

If I can get a lightweight sub-6:30 AT 2K tomorrow, I will be in _very_ good shape.

Then I will be ready to do six weeks of hard sharpening, starting from this baseline.

These are the best lightweight 2Ks this year by males 35 years or older.

Only two 35s and two 40s lightweights have gone sub-6:30 this year.

No 50s lwts have gone sub-6:30.

I usually get a dozen seconds over 2K from six weeks of hard sharpeniing.

In 10 months, and therefore for WIRC 2011, I will be 60.

ranger

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (35–70) | Current 2010 Season

1 Eskild Balschmidt Ebbesen 37 DEN 6:15.8 RACE
2 Mark Mitchell 35 Bexhill-on-sea East Sussex GBR 6:18.1 RACE
3 Ulrik Westrup 43 DEN 6:24.0 RACE
4 Gary Curtis 43 Libovice Veslařský Klub Ohře/Sub7 IRC CZE 6:27.1 RACE
5 Paul Siebach 51 Oakton VA USA 6:31.2 RACE
6Simon Herbert 36 East Sussex GBR 6:32.7 RACE
7 Nick Hudson 44 Sheffield GBR 6:33.5 RACE
8 Duncan Paterson 45 Melbourne Victoria AUS 6:34.3 RACE
9 Stuart Bizzarri 43 Kirkcaldy GBR 6:34.4 RACE
10 Stig Pettersen 40 Oslo Skullerud Sportsenter NOR 6:35.1 RACE

ranger

[snowleopard]

If I can get a lightweight sub-6:30 AT 2K tomorrow, I will be in _very_ good shape.

So when you row in and around 6:50 again we can assume you are not in very good shape.

Incidentally, the shortcomings of the rankings have already been pointed out to you several times so there's no need to waste your time repeatedly cutting and pasting extracts.

[BrianStaff]

I haven't even done distance trials yet, Mike, much less sharpened.

So what have you been doing for the last 4 weeks then?

Your racing season is over tomorrow and you keep telling us that sharpening will give you 12 seconds.

When does sharpening start? - when you're 60?

Are you the idiot in the village where you live?

[ranger]

I haven't even done distance trials yet, Mike, much less sharpened.

So what have you been doing for the last 4 weeks then?

Your racing season is over tomorrow and you keep telling us that sharpening will give you 12 seconds.

When does sharpening start? - when you're 60?

Are you the idiot in the village where you live?

Racing season?

Sure, I am doing some races.

Why?

Because this is the indoor racing season.

But I am not training for any particular races, and haven't been, for seven years.

I have been training to to be the best I can be.

I am now done with my work on technique and stroking power, and with my UT rowing, both UT2 and UT1.

I never have to do these again.

I have also done a very nice job preparing my overall fitness and my weight.

From now on, I will be rowing between 30 spm and 40 spm for all of my meters.

That is, I have moved on to AT, TR, and AN rowing.

So, after a (short) while, I will be race ready at all distances.

Over the next six weeks, I will continue to sharpen and will race all of the distances, including 2K, setting a whole new set of pbs, pbs that I have been preparing to set for the last seven years.

Depending on the distance, I think that these new pbs will be 3-6 seconds faster, across the board, than the pbs I set back in 2003.

I am quite a bit better now.

If I just get a modest AT 2K at 32 spm tomorrow, I will row close to my 2K pb and will lower the 55s lwt WR by 10 seconds, even though I am 59, and haven't even sharpened for it.

When I am fully trained, that is, after six more weeks of sharpening, I will race a 2K at 36 spm, not 32 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

So what have you been doing for the last 4 weeks

Being the best 55s lwt by a wide margin this year, even though I am 59?

The gap over my immediate competition is now six seconds over 2K.

If I get in a good row tomorrow, that gap will be 16 seconds.

If I can get to a race in New York next weekend, that gap will be 20 seconds.

And so forth, for six more weeks of sharpening, until the end of April.

Even the modest 6:41.4 I have done so far is faster than any 59-year-old lightweight has ever rowed for 2K.

RANKING RESULTS 2010
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | Current 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 95

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury ma USA 7:05.0 RACE
6 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
8 John Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
9 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
10 Ross Logan 55 AUS 7:09.5 RACE

ranger

[ranger]

When does sharpening start?

When I get a solid AT 2K at 32 spm.

If I just stroke steadily through a 2K at 32 spm, I'll pull sub-6:30.

That will set a baseline for my sharpening.

I usually get a dozen seconds over 2K from six weeks of hard sharpening.

During sharpening, I will want to work up to 4 x 2K @ 32 spm, 4 x 1K @ 34, 8 x 500m @ 36 spm, etc.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.
Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.
March 4, 2010: I am now sharpening hard.
March 5, 2010: I have been doing distance rowing since late summer of 2009.
March 5, 2010: I haven't even done any distance trials or hard sharpening yet.

[rjw]

When does sharpening start?

When I get a solid AT 2K at 32 spm.

If I just stroke steadily through a 2K at 32 spm, I'll pull sub-6:30.

Rich - This is a circular argument as you will NEVER see a sub-6:30 again, so by definition, you will never sharpen. A built in excuse to chase your tail. So be it.

[TomR]

I will continue to make pointless and ridiculous posts, and everyone responds by noting the contradictions and foolishness of what I write.

Astonishingly, a few people find me inspiring.

Tomorrow I won't come anywhere near 6.30 for 2k.

But I'll be back posting bullshit before the sun sets.

Detroit used to be the murder capital. Now it has largely emptied out.

Michigan has a large Muslim community.

Flint, Michigan is a depressing sinkhole.

Ann Arbor is home to the University of Michigan, a fine university, but trust me when I tell you, there are some whacky professors there. Heh. Heh.

If it weren't for tenure, I'd be living under a bridge with all my possessions loaded into a shopping cart.

If that were the case, I probably wouldn't ever get around to sharpening.

ranger

[JimR]

Tell you what Rich...
How about an IND_V match race including heart rate reported in monitor format by April 25th AT ANY "C2" TIME OR DISTANCE from 5k thru the half marathon?

Has to include HR and have at least 5 splits
A screen shot photo would be good too ... one that includes the IND_V code...

Mike ... a couple suggestion on this idea ...

(1) you should offer to repeat and distance AFTER ranger has posted his verified performance. That you you aren't rowing a bunch of distances for no reason. Your cuurent idea won't work because you will post a time and ranger will suddenly determine there is no point in him doing the distance because it isn't "relevant"

(2) with no ability to verify weight you will be rowing against a hwt ... that hardly seems fair.

Just sayin' ...

JimR

[BrianStaff]

When does sharpening start?

When I get a solid AT 2K at 32 spm.

So, you have not yet pulled a 2K at 32spm?

You mentioned the other day you pulled 36spm and indeed 40spm - so, that was for a shorter distance?

What distances did you row at 36spm and 40spm?