The Two Types of Training

[leadville]

that lactate accumulation would suggest your're some way above your AT

No, it isn't lactate that makes it hard for me to get through a 2K right now; it's just heart rate.

I have just been training in and around my anaerobic threshold, rather than at high heart rates.

When I start doing some hard sharpening, I will push my heart rate up to the max and bring up my anaerobic capacities.

Sure, then I'll get some good lactate accumulation, but only then.

I'm not getting much of any now, as you don't from just AT work.

It's the TR and AN work that pushes the lactate accumulation up.

ranger

Ahhh, another entry in the 'ranger's incredible ability to document his complete ignorance of anything related to exercise physiology' file. Man, that thing is bulging!

rangerboy, lactate 'accumulates' 'in and around AT'; that's why people train there you moron. lactate production is not 'on' or 'off', it occurs at varying levels depending on exercise intensity and other variables you're too dense to comprehend.

If it wasn't for lactate accumulation, you - or anyone else - would be able to row 2k at the same intensity that they row at maximal effort for 10-15 strokes (well, not exactly, but pretty close). That's not to say it is 'just' lactate accumulation, as that is the result of a series of inter-related physiological processes and energy systems, none of which you have any hope of understanding.

[detlefchef]

how about another IND_V match race? ... like last spring? How about let's set the date for the last week of April? except this year we'll include HR data

No reason to race it on the same day--or whatever.

Just row one before the end of April and post it IND_V.

Then we will both have a ranked 60min, at max effort, before the end of the indoor rowing season.

I will be happy to show a screen shot with HRs.

I do a 60min trial with my HR flat, right around 170 bpm, then going to 185 bpm over the last 1K, when I kick it home.

ranger

Well, at least he'll have one. Of course, he already does. Mind you, it's nowhere near as fast as your mythical one.

[mikvan52]

60 minutes (blah-blah-blah)

Tell you what Rich...
How about an IND_V match race including heart rate reported in monitor format by April 25th AT ANY "C2" TIME OR DISTANCE from 5k thru the half marathon?

Has to include HR and have at least 5 splits
A screen shot photo would be good too ... one that includes the IND_V code...


What? quibble/quake (on your part)
................ didn't think so!

[ranger]

he pain of a screen shot of his monitor showing his max HR would indeed be painful to his ego.

I saw 185 bpm last winter, but I wasn't working at max.

I think my max HR is 190 bpm.

ranger

[ranger]

60 minutes (blah-blah-blah)

Tell you what Rich...
How about an IND_V match race including heart rate reported in monitor format by April 25th AT ANY "C2" TIME OR DISTANCE from 5k thru the half marathon?

Has to include HR and have at least 5 splits
A screen shot photo would be good too ... one that includes the IND_V code...


What? quibble/quake (on your part)
................ didn't think so!

What's all the protesting about?

I already said that I am racing all the distances before the end of April and ranking them IND_V in the 50s lwt rankings.

No reason for match races.

If you do the same, our times will be in the rankings, side by side, at the end of the rowing year.

I will also be happy to show screen shots with HRs.

HRs on distance rows are interesting to look at.

I didn't do these races last spring because I wasn't yet doing distance rowing.

Not so this year.

I have been doing distance rowing since late summer of 2009.

I am now getting ready for some AT, TR, and AN work.

ranger

[mikvan52]

how about another IND_V match race? ... like last spring? How about let's set the date for the last week of April? except this year we'll include HR data

No reason to race it on the same day--or whatever.

Just row one before the end of April and post it IND_V.

Then we will both have a ranked 60min, at max effort, before the end of the indoor rowing season.

I will be happy to show a screen shot with HRs.

I do a 60min trial with my HR flat, right around 170 bpm, then going to 185 bpm over the last 1K, when I kick it home.

ranger

Well, at least he'll have one. Of course, he already does. Mind you, it's nowhere near as fast as your mythical one.

Notice that ranger says " He'll be happy to post"... Reading between the lines: What this actually means is that he won't

Rich: Here are my 55-59 lwt bests...
What, pray tell, are yours? (I know the answer.... None! other than your 6:41.0 last year)



This is because you are a "glory weight"... Trouble is you haven't won a major indoor or outdoor championship...
& My avg. 2k race time over this period is way faster than yours.....

My suggestion is that you quickly change the subject.... as is your wont...

You say.. "no need for match racing"... ok... you post and then I'll beat it...

It would be funny too to post actual on-the-erg weight going in... to see how much you try to rehydrate before these TTs

[ranger]

What, pray tell, are yours?

Talk is irrelevant.

As is history.

At the end of the year I will have IND_V times in the 50s lwt rankings for all of the distances.

If you do the same, there they'll be.

I am now doing 2Ks, an interesting distance to futz with, too.



I think I'll get a sub-6:30 2K tomorrow.

That will be a nice watershed to pass.

ranger

[leadville]

Mike - good to see you're back OTW. I'm about to sit on the erg for a couple hours, wasting my time while increasing peripheral vascularization and energy transport and mitochondrial density. I'd 'Rather be Rowing my Fluid'!

best to the bride!

[mikvan52]

Another thought about weight cutting:

Anyone who is chronically dehydrated cannot keep his/her HR low for a long row. The cardiovascular system tries to make up for thickened blood by pumping faster... This is the same phenomenon we see with "cardiac drift"... except with the dehydrated athlete is begins right away.

ranger has been witnessed to have shown up at regattas with up to 10 water bottles... He makes weight and then starts drinking in his two hour allotment....
What do you think his weight actually is when he's got all that H20 sloshing around in his gut?

ranger will quibble... "I am obeying the rules" ... He is!... but is it good for you? Don't ask him... he disregards exercise physiology because he's The Special ONE (TSO)

TSO blows when it comes to a lwt hour on the erg... one where he STARTS with a sub 165 lb weight.

Stand Back!
Watch ranger blow!
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[mikvan52]

What, pray tell, are yours?

Talk is irrelevant.

As is history.

At the end of the year I will have IND_V times in the 50s lwt rankings for all of the distances.

If you do the same, there they'll be.

I am now doing 2Ks, an interesting distance to futz with, too.



I think I'll get a sub-6:30 2K tomorrow.

That will be a nice watershed to pass.

ranger

I like that one "history is irrelevant"

Nice subject change too!

Have fun with futzing in your vain attempt to get under 6:40...

...and here I thought your "distance rowing is going well"//// "my bad"!

Talk is irrelevant.

ranger's list: 2k in 6:40.0
mike's list:
...
is this the alternative to "talk"?

[milkman21]

[Nosmo]

Pace is rate x stroking power (SPI).

Lets see, seconds per 500m = strokes per minute * watts per stroke

time/distance = (1/time) * power
therefore

time / distance = power/ time

distance/time = time / power

Therefore speed = time / power.

SO the more power the less speed and the the more time you spend on the erg the faster the piece!

Perhaps ranger you should write this up and submit to Physical Review Letters, if they reject it you may have more success with the International Journal of Poetics.

Edit:did that wrong the first time

[Byron Drachman]

Pace is rate x stroking power (SPI).

Lets see, seconds per 500m = strokes per minute * watts per stroke

time/distance = (1/time) * power
therefore

time / distance = power/ time

distance/time = time / power

Therefore speed = time / power.

SO the more power the less speed and the the more time you spend on the erg the faster the piece!

Perhaps ranger you should write this up and submit to Physical Review Letters, if they reject it you may have more success with the International Journal of Poetics.

Edit:did that wrong the first time

Hi Nosmo,

Thanks for getting started in Ranger-physics. It took me some time to learn Ranger-mathematics but I have that sorted out now. My first breakthrough was when I finally realized that numbers do not have precise meanings. It is always exciting to learn new things.

Byron

[ranger]

Another thought about weight cutting:

Anyone who is chronically dehydrated cannot keep his/her HR low for a long row.

No, my weight is stably at 165 lbs. or under these days.

It will soon be 160 lbs., 9% body fat.

That's perfect.

The ideal body composition for an elite OTW lightweight.

I have 146 lbs. of non-fat body mass.

Pretty much the same as you, Mike.

ranger

[ranger]

numbers do not have precise meanings.

Pretty easy stuff.

Both Rocket Roy and Luini rate 36 spm in a 2K.

Luini pulls 13.3 SPI.

Rocket Roy pulls 9.3 SPI.

There's the story.

Stroking power.

ranger