The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

I am not sure what motivates the nay-saying chatter here.

If you are a 60s lwt, as I now am, who can pull 11 SPI with a light stroke, 13 SPI pulling hard, as I now can, and can rate up into the 30s in your everyday distance rowing, as I am now doing, the game is won.

For your age and weight, you are the best in the history of the sport by such a margin it's ridiculous.

You are rowing like an elite 30s lightweight.

ranger

[DUThomas]

For a lightweight, 46 spm is a standard rate for a 500m trial.

How fast you are depends on your stroking power.

If you row well (13 SPI), you are fast indeed--1:24.

BTW, if someone like NavHaz did his 500s, rowing well (16 SPI) at 35 spm, he'd be pulling them at 1:25.

That would be pretty good, too.

ranger

So a heavyweight rowing well is slower than a lightweight rowing well?

[ArmandoChavezUNC]

the fact that you use SPI as a reliable predictor of performance just shows how clueless you are about training...

If I could hold my current 2k pace @ a 35 instead of a 28 I could go 6:10..... too bad I CAN'T actually do that.. otherwise I'd be doing it instead of saying it.

[mrfit]

I am not sure what motivates the nay-saying chatter here.

ranger

A braggart that fails is so entertaining and you do it so regularly?

Pass the mustard, somebody.

[Nosmo]

If you are a 60s lwt, as I now am, who can pull 11 SPI with a light stroke, 13 SPI pulling hard, as I now can, and can rate up into the 30s in your everyday distance rowing, as I am now doing, the game is won.

Only if you can do it all at the same time.
Now go do it.

[leadville]

The reason you work on low rate rowing is to improve your technique and stroking power.

But if you row so well that you pull 13 SPI @ 35 spm (1:31) as a 60s lightweight, why in the world would you ever need to work any more on technique and stroking power?

Just rate up--and be done with it!

ranger

as if we needed it, yet more proof that our hero is ignorant as a box of rocks.

Rangerboy the primary reason one rows at low ratings and low %mVO2 is to increase peripheral vascularization and mitochondrial density.

This type of training is much more important than you seem to understand. If you did you'd have a better chance of achieving some of your more reasonable goals. Not a very good chance, but a better chance than your current misguided training regime will provide.

[Nosmo]

Racing doesn't determine training.

Training determines racing.

and who do you think doesn't believe this?

Training is an opportunity to work on your weaknesses.

After a _very_ early point, you only get better by overcoming your weaknesses.

Even if this was always true what does it have to do training determining your racing or vice-versa? You are really good at non-sequiturs.

I have been told explicitly by the forum that training has nothing to do with working on your weaknesses.

Rather, it is all about parading your strengths.

Sorry your self. No one has explicitly said that training is parading anything. And this is another non-sequiturs.

IMHO, _racing_ is about parading your strengths.

Strange definition of racing. But for you it seems to be all about the show.

The point of racing is to go fast, not to get better.

Is it? People race for a lot of reasons. But you wouldn't know about that.

When you are going fast, you are not getting better.

You are expending your resources, rather than renewing them, building them up.

Which is why you claim to race more then anyone else?

[BrianStaff]

For a lightweight, 46 spm is a standard rate for a 500m trial.

That's a another lie - you can't do 46spm for 500m

I dare you...prove it with a photo

Double dare!

[wgr]

becz wrote:

I think it's time to once again consider whether the forum would be a better place without Ranger. And by better I'm not referring to anything regarding entertainment. I can live with the ridiculous bravado, especially given his spectacular failure with respect to meeting his own expectations. But when he time and again belittles others and posts profanity when challenged I thinks it's time to clean house. It wasn't due to simple annoyance that he was banned from the UK forum, it was for the same reasons that we see occurring here. While Ranger's rowing hasn't improved over the course of the past 5 years, neither has his behavior, and I think it makes the forum a lesser place to contribute to. This isn't about censorship, it's about what the community wants this place to be. Let him go start a blog somewhere if he so chooses, something that only he has control over (which it would seem would suit him just fine), but let's end the ridculousness here. Anyone who's truly interested in continuing the madness can follow him wherever he lands.

becz,

Who are you? Who invited you here? to speak for us?

This is a thread started by Ranger to describe his Odyssey to 6:16. The views here are astronomical and completely voluntary. Many enjoy reading the posts and rejoinders.

Ranger is sharing his self-talk describing what he and others must do to take their erging to the next level. I've learned a lot about erging here, not just from Ranger but from others who have generously offered their knowledge and training experience. The thread has attracted a huge following of scribes, scrutineers, naysayers and overly-sensitive cheapseats following his every statement and posting responses and repartees. Many are excellent, many are vacuous and many have been nastier than deserved. Some of the latter have attracted a suitable response from Ranger. So what?

You would have to admit that Ranger has judiciously ignored much of the provocation and continued his self-talk in a generally positive way.

Your opinion and your case against Ranger is unsolicited, prejudiced, silly and one sided. You judge him guilty by totally ignoring the provocations.

If you long for the genteelness and civility of the UK forum, you are welcome to attend there and ignore this thread. Your presence here, or anyone's for that matter, is not compulsory.

By the way, March Madness starts in a couple of hours, so hurry off.

Just saw this. Interesting how you tell becz what he is and is not welcome to write, saying it in the name of freedom to write what you want. But hey -- even dullards have opinions and the right to express them.

John,

Nobody called becz a dullard, and I'm sure you're not calling him one and I'sure he isn't.

He expressed an opinion that ran counter to mine and many others and it needed to be challenged. I believe that the silent majority want a continuation of this thread. That's my opinion. This thread has had over 35000 views since Feb. 8 and it's because many are drawn here to see what Ranger is doing or not, will he or won't he, what unsolicited advice is being offered, what will I learn to improve my rowing, and so on. There is much good natured banter, many amusing rejoinders and much useful advice to consider. Occasionally Ranger expresses himself in ways that make me uncomfortable and I wish he wouldn't do so, but this happens when he is unduly provoked.

Ranger, I feel, is mostly misunderstood and is taken too literally. Keep in mind that he has a unique capability that probably none of us here have. I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention it here.

Hint. Consider the following:

High Flight

Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee
No 412 squadron, RCAF


Inspirational and beautiful. But not to be taken literally. It's to be read to let the mind soar far above prosaic prose. The truth police would find much exaggeration, hyperbole, lies, bullshit, etc.

Poetic License allows the poet to stretch, exaggerate, and use imagery in ways that we are not. To a poet, thousands of meters can become millions if he wishes to emphasize the effort required to make his erg "slip the surly bounds of earth". To a poet, precision is at the far end of the scale of his creative writing and is to be used sparingly. So don't insist on it here. Poets, because of the regulations of their craft, must invoke Poetic License in their compositions. Failure to do so could result in expulsion from his profession and the Guild of Poets.

So, when Ranger writes, please respond accordingly and understand where he comes from and his obligations to his craft.

Lies, bullshit, liar, etc., are to be reserved for politicians.

For poets, please use:
Awesome
Unprecedented
Miraculous
Amazing
Inspiring
Remarkable
Splendid
Breathtaking
Creative

The many, excellent, wordsmiths out here are sure to come up with many more. Please be creative. Please refrain from political vulgarities.

Walter

[DUThomas]

For poets, please use:
Awesome
Unprecedented
Miraculous
Amazing
Inspiring
Remarkable
Splendid
Breathtaking
Creative

Odd, that didn't really match up with my list, although, in their adverbial forms, they make fine modifiers.

[johnlvs2run]

If you only pull 7 SPI, like John Rupp, you should do another sport.

Ah but I do 13.15 spi.

Sep 09, 2003

500m / 2:10.4 / 12spm / 19.2mps / 13.15spi

At 46 spm, this would be 5:33.3 for the 2k.

Now all that I need to do is to raise up the rating.

[whp4]

If you only pull 7 SPI, like John Rupp, you should do another sport.

Ah but I do 13.15 spi.

Sep 09, 2003

500m / 2:10.4 / 12spm / 19.2mps / 13.15spi

At 46 spm, this would be 5:33.3 for the 2k.

Now all that I need to do is to raise up the rating.

That should be easily accomplished if you just get your HR up, as the nutty prof insists...

[jamesg]

Never tell the truth, but if you are forced to, hide it in so many lies that even the wisest can't find it.

The King said, I'll present a horse to the first man to tell the truth; he'll need it to get away.

Machiavelli, so I'm told.

No doubt The Prince is the only guide to University life. One has to keep one's hand in, it's called training. Us readers, if we can read, surely can also look after ourselves, or do we really want to seem fools?

[KevJGK]

I am not sure what motivates the nay-saying chatter here.

Would you like me to give you a clue?

[hjs]

I am not sure what motivates the nay-saying chatter here.

If you are a 60s lwt, as I now am, who can pull 11 SPI with a light stroke, 13 SPI pulling hard, as I now can, and can rate up into the 30s in your everyday distance rowing, as I am now doing, the game is won.

For your age and weight, you are the best in the history of the sport by such a margin it's ridiculous.

You are rowing like an elite 30s lightweight.

ranger

The moment you stop saying IF and actually DO.......... the NAYSAYING/COMMON SENCE will stop.

Thusfar you are the IFFman/NODOER, all the naysayers never say no, but simply use common sence.
In 8 years you have given not one single example to prove your hollow talk

This weekend you racing season ends and you will again be slower then last year.

SIMPLY FACTS dangy, that is what makes the world turn round.


7.11
6.41
6.50

And lots of dns and a heavy 6.48, that is what you have shown.