The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Post by snowleopard » February 28th, 2010, 3:42 pm

ranger wrote:and without even training for it.
Oh boy that's a belter :lol:

60 million meters, seven years and it's still all going south.

BTW, get back to me on the profit[sic] from your Chicago trip. No wait, this is too good, the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo hasn't figured out that profit = income-expenditure.

And you ain't larfin all the way t' the bank anyway, schmuk, you still owe Henry big time.

Keep an eye on the mail, there's a letter on the way to Mrs R.

Hoo-hah :!:
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Post by PaulH » February 28th, 2010, 3:51 pm

ranger wrote: My race targets at the moment are just guesses, given that I have only finished my UT training.
No they're not, because your racing follows directly from your training, and clearly you know what you've been doing in training. If you say you're going to do 6:32 then, within perhaps a second either way, you will. The fact that every prediction you've made for the past two years or more has been wrong is just a very long sequence of coincidences, for anything else would suggest you don't know your own training, which is clearly impossible.

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Post by snowleopard » February 28th, 2010, 3:54 pm

PaulH wrote:for anything else would suggest you don't know your own training, which is clearly impossible.
Not if you're a compulsive liar and have difficulty recalling the last lie that you told.

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Post by aharmer » February 28th, 2010, 4:19 pm

snowleopard wrote:
PaulH wrote:for anything else would suggest you don't know your own training, which is clearly impossible.
Not if you're a compulsive liar and have difficulty recalling the last lie that you told.
This is exactly what I was thinking...there is so much bullshit posted he can't keep track of everything. I'm probably the newest erger around here. I've neither built my base to its fullest potential, nor completely sharpened what base I have. Still, I know within 2 seconds what I would pull in every 2k trial I've done. To think that somebody with 60 million meters under their belt could be so clueless about their current fitness level is astonishing. On the other hand I don't think he's ever done one of the 'predictor workouts' he promises to post, and the distance rows that supposedly predict 2k have never been proven with screenshots either. Maybe he doesn't know because he's never tested himself at any level at home.

To absolutely guarantee a world record Saturday, then fall 13 seconds short is beyond my comprehension.

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Post by Bob S. » February 28th, 2010, 4:48 pm

aharmer wrote:I'm probably the newest erger around here. I've neither built my base to its fullest potential, nor completely sharpened what base I have. Still, I know within 2 seconds what I would pull in every 2k trial I've done.
I wish I could say that. I've been using the erg for about 20 years and I never have the foggiest idea what I can expect at a competition. I went into this season's competition with the best possible predictor you can get - a 2k time trial. At the first competition it was off by 15.4 seconds. At the next one, three weeks later, I picked up another 1.7 seconds. As a predictor, the first trial left a lot to be desired.

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Post by DUThomas » February 28th, 2010, 4:54 pm

ranger wrote: If I do an AT 6:32 on Saturday, I have not only overcome all of the decline with age over the last seven years, I am massively better.
And if you don't, do you then admit you're not massively better, or do you keep bleating?
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Post by Joanvb » February 28th, 2010, 5:03 pm

Bob S. wrote:... I went into this season's competition with the best possible predictor you can get - a 2k time trial....
Bob S.
In your case, Bob, I think you've proven that your "best possible predictor 2K" needs to include a motivating coxswain. :)
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Post by leadville » February 28th, 2010, 6:00 pm

ranger wrote:
leadville wrote:And I'm the fxxxin idiot...
I don't understand your ethics.

Why don't you include a signature line, telling us what you are doing in your rowing?

What {sic} don't you say who you are?

ranger
ranger ranger ranger.

for you to tell me what to include in my signature line as 'what you are doing in your rowing' would be laughable if it wasn't so hypocritical.

Read your signature line, rangerboy - it is a wish list, a fantasy, a narcissistic dream that has no more chance of becoming reality than you have of ever being respected by anyone who reads your drivel.

And if you read my signature line, rangerboy, you'd see that is does have actual, real live, demonstrated results. Not fantasies or delusions.
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Post by ranger » February 28th, 2010, 6:03 pm

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ranger wrote:The goal will still be 1:38 @ 32 spm for Detroit.
You can't hold that split. Your breaks will start after about 1200 meters.

You are impossibly stupid.
Not if I can get 4 x 2K @ 1:42, 8 x 500m @ 1:35, and 4 x 1K @ 1:38, sometime this week.

I'll try to post all of these results over the next couple of days.

Stay tuned!

They all predict 1:38 for 2K.

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Post by ranger » February 28th, 2010, 6:05 pm

DUThomas wrote:
ranger wrote: If I do an AT 6:32 on Saturday, I have not only overcome all of the decline with age over the last seven years, I am massively better.
And if you don't, do you then admit you're not massively better, or do you keep bleating?
Your training is just a mirror of your training.

I'll try to post 8 x 500m @ 1:35, 4 x 1K @ 1:38, and 4 x 2K @ 1:42 this week.

All of these predict 1:38 for 2K.

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Post by ranger » February 28th, 2010, 6:08 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:and without even training for it.
Oh boy that's a belter :lol:

60 million meters, seven years and it's still all going south.

BTW, get back to me on the profit[sic] from your Chicago trip. No wait, this is too good, the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo hasn't figured out that profit = income-expenditure.

And you ain't larfin all the way t' the bank anyway, schmuk, you still owe Henry big time.

Keep an eye on the mail, there's a letter on the way to Mrs R.

Hoo-hah :!:
Who are you?

What do you pull for 2K?

If you don't answer these questions, you are the fraud, not me.

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Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)

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Post by ranger » February 28th, 2010, 6:10 pm

DUThomas wrote:
ranger wrote: If I do an AT 6:32 on Saturday, I have not only overcome all of the decline with age over the last seven years, I am massively better.
And if you don't, do you then admit you're not massively better, or do you keep bleating?
Training predicts racing, not bleating.

If I can post the training that predicts the racing, sure, the racing is insured.

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Post by ranger » February 28th, 2010, 6:15 pm

leadville wrote:
ranger wrote:
leadville wrote:And I'm the fxxxin idiot...
I don't understand your ethics.

Why don't you include a signature line, telling us what you are doing in your rowing?

What {sic} don't you say who you are?

ranger
ranger ranger ranger.

for you to tell me what to include in my signature line as 'what you are doing in your rowing' would be laughable if it wasn't so hypocritical.

Read your signature line, rangerboy - it is a wish list, a fantasy, a narcissistic dream that has no more chance of becoming reality than you have of ever being respected by anyone who reads your drivel.

And if you read my signature line, rangerboy, you'd see that is does have actual, real live, demonstrated results. Not fantasies or delusions.
We'll see, lead head.

I pulled 6:27.5 in 2002 and 6:29.7 in 2006.

I think I'll pull something comparable this week.

This time, though, it will just be on the basis of UT1 training, with all of my AT, TR, and AN training still to come.

This is important, no?

In your sharpening, you can only bring out the base you have built.

If you have built no base, there is nothing to bring out with your sharpening.

If I can pull 1:38 @ 32 spm this weekend on the basis of my UT1 training, I can pull 1:34 for 2K by the end of April, by just continuing my AT, TR, and AN training: rating 32-36-40.

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Post by ranger » February 28th, 2010, 6:21 pm

snowleopard wrote:
PaulH wrote:for anything else would suggest you don't know your own training, which is clearly impossible.
Not if you're a compulsive liar and have difficulty recalling the last lie that you told.
You're the liar, asshole, not me.

I am racing every week.

Are you?

The erg is a truth machine.

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Post by leadville » February 28th, 2010, 6:36 pm

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ranger - We'll see, lead head.

I pulled 6:27.5 in 2002 and 6:29.7 in 2006.

I think [sic] I'll pull something comparable this week.
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as long as we're resurrecting ancient history, i pulled 6:15 in 1984.

Your best performance was eight years ago, and all you've proven since then, at least in addition to the fact that you are an insufferable bore with no idea what you're doing, is that your performance has declined as predicted.

Oh, you've also proved by your inability to deliver on any of your other predictions that your 'thinking' is disconnected from, and bears no resemblance to, reality.

I do hope you race OTW this year. It will be so much fun for all.
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