The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Post by snowleopard » February 22nd, 2010, 5:30 am

ranger wrote:If I go on to pb in Detroit in two weeks, which I think I will
It's impossible for you to PB. You can only gain 12 seconds from sharpening :idea:

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Post by ranger » February 22nd, 2010, 6:12 am

Mike--

Why is the season over for you?

You still have an erg.

You still get up in the morning.

Keep training.

See how much better you can get over 2K.

Is 6:47 it for you this year?

I think I'll get to 6:28 at Detroit in two weeks.

Training is coming along great.

I have about 10 weeks of sharpening left.

Then I should exhaust all of the racing potential of my (current) training base.

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Post by ranger » February 22nd, 2010, 6:16 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:If I go on to pb in Detroit in two weeks, which I think I will
It's impossible for you to PB. You can only gain 12 seconds from sharpening :idea:
Sure.

But you need to mark the starting point correctly.

The starting point is after I can get a good racing start, row through 1700m with a strong, steady stroke at 32 spm, and then kick it in over the last 300m.

This is just a strong AT 2K.

This is what you get from your distance rowing (e.g., 5K, 6K, 30min, 10K, 60min, HM, and FM trials), before you even start hard sharpening.

I rate 32 spm in a 5K.

Then your sharpening brings up your anaerobic capacities so that you can lift the rate to 36 spm and gain that extra 12 seconds.

For that, you need to do a few weeks of 500s at 40 spm.

I think I'll get my first strong AT 2K in Detroit in two weeks.

If I do, given my current stroking power, I'll pb.

Then I'll be ready for hard sharpening.

Over the next two weeks, I'll also want to see my 5K pb, 1:43/17:10.

Now, I'll do i1:43 for 5K right at 10MPS, 1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI).

By the end of April, I'll want to do 60min @ 29 spm and 10MPS.

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Post by ranger » February 22nd, 2010, 6:25 am

My row yesterday in Cleveland was not a strong AT row.

It was wimpy.

No racing start.

Unnecessarily weak, short stroking through the middle of the race.

No kick.

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Post by hjs » February 22nd, 2010, 6:43 am

ranger wrote:My row yesterday in Cleveland was not a strong AT row.

It was wimpy.

No racing start.

Unnecessarily weak, short stroking through the middle of the race.

No kick.

ranger
In other words, just like you raced al your races the last few years.

The only thing you got right this time is your weight, although you claim to be fine on that front for months now, it took you up until this week to really get to lightweight, thus you could race hydrated, that and only that is the reason that you erged so good, :lol:
Fom here there is nothing to gain for you, you have done all you could.

Results

1 DNS
2 7.11
3 DNS
4 DNS
5 6.41

a nice av :lol:

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Post by hjs » February 22nd, 2010, 6:50 am

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Post by lancs » February 22nd, 2010, 7:05 am

hjs wrote:1 DNS
2 7.11
3 DNS
4 DNS
5 6.41
I'm sorry your season hasn't gone quite as anticipated Prof and that you still haven't managed to best Roy's time for your age and weight category. I must say, for a man about to row a 6:16 I'm surprised you've not yet managed to beat it. I'd lost touch with your exploits for a year or so and I'd assumed during that time that you must've broke 6:30 again (as you said you would) but I see that's sadly not the case. I was all ready to try your training regime had it worked but alas it seems your times are just drifting off from your best of several years ago just like everybody else of your age. Terrific 6:41 though at the weekend, that's some row for a 55's lwt. I think you've probably got a 6:40 in you and that's just about your limit now.

Keep up the good work.. :)

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Post by ranger » February 22nd, 2010, 7:12 am

When I pull 6:28 in Detroit on March 8th, this (extended) 6:28 thread will reach its natural conclusion.

Mission accomplished.

And the hundreds of pages of nay-saying here will have come to its expected, inevitable end:

Nothing.

Nothing comes from nothing

After I pull 6:28 in Detroit on March 6th, I'll need to start a 6:16 thread, which will point toward the 6:16 I'll pull on April 30th, after another hard eight weeks of distance trials and sharpening.

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Post by ranger » February 22nd, 2010, 7:15 am

lancs wrote:
hjs wrote:1 DNS
2 7.11
3 DNS
4 DNS
5 6.41
I'm sorry your season hasn't gone quite as anticipated Prof and that you still haven't managed to best Roy's time for your age and weight category. I must say, for a man about to row a 6:16 I'm surprised you've not yet managed to beat it. I'd lost touch with your exploits for a year or so and I'd assumed during that time that you must've broke 6:30 again (as you said you would) but I see that's sadly not the case. I was all ready to try your training regime had it worked but alas it seems your times are just drifting off from your best of several years ago just like everybody else of your age. Terrific 6:41 though at the weekend, that's some row for a 55's lwt. I think you've probably got a 6:40 in you and that's just about your limit now.

Keep up the good work.. :)
Oh B.S.

I'll break Roy's 55s lwt WR pretty easily this weekend.

Then I'll pull 6:28 at Detroit the next weekend.

That will catch you, Lancs.

And you're what, 13 years old?

Diaper dud.

And you're the best the Brits can serve up in the 35s lwts?

Pathetic stuff.

Well, I guess you have one consolation.

You're not as pathetic as Canadian hockey.

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Post by snowleopard » February 22nd, 2010, 7:28 am

ranger wrote:And you're the best the Brits can serve up in the 35s lwts?

Pathetic stuff.
I thought you seldom had your nose out of the rankings ranger:

1. Mark Mitchell GB (lwt) 35 yo 6:18.1 RACE

...
16. Brett Tillotson USA (lwt) 30 yo 6:49.5 RACE

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Post by hjs » February 22nd, 2010, 7:32 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:And you're the best the Brits can serve up in the 35s lwts?

Pathetic stuff.
I thought you seldom had your nose out of the rankings ranger:

1. Mark Mitchell GB (lwt) 35 yo 6:18.1 RACE

...
16. Brett Tillotson USA (lwt) 30 yo 6:49.5 RACE
The ranking has not much to do with the real results, most country's don,t botter to rank there results and C2 doesn,t put the races in the rankings.
If the national Championships would be ranked you would have a totaly different picture.
Certainly in the open cat the rankings mean close to nothing.

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Post by snowleopard » February 22nd, 2010, 7:36 am

hjs wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:And you're the best the Brits can serve up in the 35s lwts?

Pathetic stuff.
I thought you seldom had your nose out of the rankings ranger:

1. Mark Mitchell GB (lwt) 35 yo 6:18.1 RACE

...
16. Brett Tillotson USA (lwt) 30 yo 6:49.5 RACE
The ranking has not much to do with the real results, most country's don,t botter to rank there results and C2 doesn,t put the races in the rankings.
If the national Championships would be ranked you would have a totaly different picture.
Certainly in the open cat the rankings mean close to nothing.
I know.

The point being made is that even on thin evidence lancs is not "the best the Brits can serve up in the 35s lwts".

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Post by Yankeerunner » February 22nd, 2010, 7:40 am

ranger wrote:When I pull 6:28 in Detroit on March 8th, this (extended) 6:28 thread will reach its natural conclusion.

Mission accomplished.

And the hundreds of pages of nay-saying here will have come to its expected, inevitable end:

Nothing.

Nothing comes from nothing

After I pull 6:28 in Detroit on March 6th, I'll need to start a 6:16 thread, which will point toward the 6:16 I'll pull on April 30th, after another hard eight weeks of distance trials and sharpening.

ranger
When you started the 6:28 thread you claimed to be only 11 days away from doing 6:28. Now five (5!) months later you claim to be 14 days away from 6:28. You're backsliding young man.

You're farther away from you goal now than you were then.

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Post by KevJGK » February 22nd, 2010, 7:42 am

ranger wrote: I'll break Roy's 55s lwt WR pretty easily this weekend.
Do you have any idea how many times you have said this?

You should show some respect to your superiors.
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Age: 57 - Weight: 187 lbs - Height: 5'10"
500m 01:33.5 Jun 2010 - 2K 06:59.5 Nov 2009 - 5K 19:08.4 Jan 2011

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Post by ranger » February 22nd, 2010, 8:24 am

KevJGK wrote:
ranger wrote: I'll break Roy's 55s lwt WR pretty easily this weekend.
Do you have any idea how many times you have said this?

You should show some respect to your superiors.
I _do_ respect my superiors.

It's just that in erging, there aren't any.

:lol: :lol:

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