The Two Types of Training

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 21st, 2010, 4:12 pm

The whole discussion is moot, Roy.

I am going to be 25 seconds better over 2K by the end of April.

I'll beat the 55s lwt WR you set almost five years ago next week in Chicago.

Next year, the projection is that, unless you change your training radically and invest in your base, rather than just training to race, you will be 10 seconds slower that your old self, when you were 55.

6:48?

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » February 21st, 2010, 4:24 pm

ranger wrote:The whole discussion is moot, Roy.

The discussion is only moot at the point at which you are faster than Roy. A year on in your training, the separation is the same

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » February 21st, 2010, 4:26 pm

Ranger wrote:Today, my body felt fine but my lungs were _wrecked_. Why?

Nice row today. Here is an answer to your question from
http://www.aahf.info/sec_exercise/secti ... ratory.htm

Many factors interact to reduce the efficiency of the respiratory system in elderly individuals. Elastic tissue deteriorates throughout the body and reduces the lungs’ ability to inflate and deflate. The rib cage does not move as freely because of arthritic changes. This, in combination with the changes in elasticity, causes a reduction in chest movement which limits respiratory volume. These changes contribute to the reduction in exercise performance and capabilities seen with increasing age.

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » February 21st, 2010, 4:41 pm

ranger wrote:The whole discussion is moot, Roy.

I am going to be 25 seconds better over 2K by the end of April.

I'll beat the 55s lwt WR you set almost five years ago next week in Chicago.

ranger

Maybe so but fear not I shall certainly be faster than the 6.34 I pulled 1 week before the WR row. Next year when I resume erg training on the diet i am on i can see me going close to sub 6.30 and most probably sub 6.30 when I turn 60.

Best of luck in Chicago, if you win the $$$ can you send me the $20 you owe me please?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 21st, 2010, 5:14 pm

detlefchef wrote:Of course, there's the old adage; promise short, deliver long.

My goal of 6:16 has always been an "ultimate" goal: rowing my best.

I never have really put a date of when I might reach it.

And heck, I certainly don't think that sharpening for a couple of two or three months, say, from now to the end of April, is a long time to wait for me to bring out my base, given that I have spend seven years building it.

Anyway, what I will be doing over the next 10 weeks or so is just the sort of thing that you folks on this so-called "training forum" love, anyway.

It will be exciting!

Lots of races and reported times, without any of the messy stuff like training.

Go figure.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 21st, 2010, 5:18 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:The whole discussion is moot, Roy.
The discussion is only moot at the point at which you are faster than Roy. A year on in your training, the separation is the same

"Moment time"--again.

If it ain't happenin' now, it's ain't happenin'.

Silly stuff.

I have just started to sharpen.

I haven't done even one distance trial.

Most people (like Rocket Roy, Mike VB, and Bob. S.) _just_ sharpen (and do distance trials), when they want to prepare to row a fast 2K.

They don't do anything else.

Measured in those terms, I have barely begun to train.

As I have said, everyone gets about a dozen seconds each over 2K from hard distance rowing and sharpening.

When they have a 2K coming up, that's why they do it--exclusively!

It is the easiest way to get a quick leg up on rowing 2K faster than you might, if you didn't do it.

Short rows.

For a few weeks.

Intense, sure, but short and sweet.

Doesn't take up much time.

You can do it on your lunch hour!

Nice!

Mike VB: 39 minutes a day.

Talk to Pete Marston.

He'll tell you how to do it.

He's only gotten 10 seconds worse over the last few years.

Hey, that's not much at all.

ranger

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 21st, 2010, 5:20 pm

Rich: Once again: Congrats! & Great Job!!

Now that you're feeling so chuffed: Will you let down your guard and post some verifiable HR data?

{I know the answer already: "Later"}... it keeps readership

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 21st, 2010, 5:25 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:
Ranger wrote:Today, my body felt fine but my lungs were _wrecked_. Why?
Nice row today. Here is an answer to your question from
http://www.aahf.info/sec_exercise/secti ... ratory.htm
Many factors interact to reduce the efficiency of the respiratory system in elderly individuals. Elastic tissue deteriorates throughout the body and reduces the lungs’ ability to inflate and deflate. The rib cage does not move as freely because of arthritic changes. This, in combination with the changes in elasticity, causes a reduction in chest movement which limits respiratory volume. These changes contribute to the reduction in exercise performance and capabilities seen with increasing age.

Oh B.S.

I ran the half mile and mile on the track when I was in High School and College.

Felt exactly the same, if you didn't do enough speed work.

When we went to away track meets in High School, my half-miler friends and I used to carry along big bottles of Vicks Formula 44 to quell the hacking cough that we would get after each race.

Doesn't have anything to do with age.

ranger

JohnBove · Post by **JohnBove** » February 21st, 2010, 5:26 pm

You do have one record: Fastest time by someone who was simultaneously the world's biggest douchebag.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 21st, 2010, 5:28 pm

mikvan52 wrote:Rich: Once again: Congrats! & Great Job!!

Now that you're feeling so chuffed: Will you let down your guard and post some verifiable HR data?

{I know the answer already: "Later"}... it keeps readership

What did I say about this?

No reason to say it again.

I will be sharpening, racing, and doing distance trials for the next 10 weeks.

During this time, I will establish a complete set of current--lightweight--pbs.

I will do the rows IND_V and enter them in the 50s lwt rankings.

ranger

PaulH · Post by **PaulH** » February 21st, 2010, 5:30 pm

Seems like ranger is letting his inconsistency slip. He's improved by 7 seconds, he claims, but also claims that the sharpening and hard distance rowing that will get him an extra 25 seconds haven't started yet (despite having earlier claimed that he started sharpening around the start of the year).

So, his rowing improved by 7 seconds without sharpening or distance rowing (still to come), and without improving his base (which he'd already finished). has he, perhaps, changed his headwear to make that improvement?

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » February 21st, 2010, 5:30 pm

ranger wrote:I will be sharpening, racing, and doing distance trials for the next 10 weeks.

How will you get 25 seconds from sharpening?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 21st, 2010, 5:32 pm

mikvan52 wrote:now that you're feeling so chuffed

Chuffed?

Again, are you listening?

Remind me if I am wrong, but I thought I said just the opposite.

My row today was pretty disappointing.

I thought I was going to row 6:30 (or under), but it looks as though I will have to wait a couple of weeks to do that.

So, I am somewhat more behind schedule than I thought.

ranger

cah · Post by **cah** » February 21st, 2010, 5:42 pm

Hi Ranger Rich

Fabulous effort and I certainly believe You can do better. The man from the cellar (great Youtube videos, more of those please) show up to settle things, I like that! Zapotek, the bumblebee and You are a great inspiration to newbies like me, who will never achieve anything in the eyes of the elite.

Please don't shut down this thread. The thrill and suspense is immense. I have to go all the way back to my chldhoods reading of 'The adventures of Tom Sawyer' in 1973 to compare it to something of similar experience.

Most impressive is, that You performed with 3.7% more watts than the (MvB) winner of the 55-59 agegroup World Championships. That is actually a lot.

Go, go Ranger Rich: 'Life has lost its battle with death, but memory wins its battle against nothingness'.

I hail You, but have a little prayer - it would be a thrill to see more data on your splits, spm etc. Just to prye,

Best of luck.
Claus , middleaged (46) erg-newbie, bookworm, cyclist, triathlete.

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » February 21st, 2010, 5:51 pm

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:now that you're feeling so chuffed
Chuffed?

Again, are you listening?

Remind me if I am wrong, but I thought I said just the opposite.

My row today was pretty disappointing.

So, I am somewhat more behind schedule than I thought.

You're right, I'm mistaken.. I don't read all the entries all the time..
I wonder why? hmmm.

What's the schedule again? I wasn't aware there ever was one that had dates attached to them? "I think I'll by (such and such a date)" is not a part of a schedule.

Also: Even though the racing season is ending for you there's no reason why you cannot finish your sharpening and post your best, fully sharpened time.. Is there?

As for your posting other distances in the rankings: That would be an innovation for you which would be welcomed by your readership.

Here are some targets for you to start with>

Click

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One last question: Are you intending to hide out in the "I am the best 59 and over guy in the world" rigamarole ?

I leave for 2 weeks on the water in Florida starting Wednesday..
Maybe by the time I get back you'll have posted something of substance..
Each year ends with a great 2k by you... but no postings of longer distances.... odd

The head of the Charles is 8 months from now... hence a shift in my focus.

Nice row today!