The Two Types of Training

[Steve G]

What time is the main event?
Do we have a man (or woman) to witness?

Cheers

[hjs]

1:39, 1:39, 1:38, 1:34
6:30

ranger

The little engine that could.
1.39
1.45
1.48
1.51

7.03

let's see who is right, history is in my favor

Nothing hangs on any particular race.
I am just staying active and testing myself as I go along.

ranger

There you are wrong, in racing you have to be in shape at a certain moment. It's not for nothing that you did not race once at Boston in the 55/60 age bracket.

Good to know that just stating random numbers is nothing more then being active. I always think that knowing what you can do helps with a racing plan.
But if you not interested in doing you best but just go of in a pace to make sure that you blow up, it doesn,t matter much

[JimR]

Are you ranger's mom?

I don't recall ranger claiming he ever had a mom ... which would explain some of the statements he has made.

There were the family outings where dad would stop on the side of the road, strip down to his boxers and go on a run ... I remember those postings by ranger ... they were very amusing in an odd sort of way.

JimR

[Citroen]

Ranger,

Good Luck in Cleveland.

I know you can do it.

"If you believe it, you can achieve it."
R.H. Schuller


Walter

You must be new here.
Please don't feed the troll.

[mikvan52]

Let the games begin!

I heard rumblings on the far horizon: History in the making!~

http://www.clevelandrows.org/2010HammerVideo.wmv

{see "competitions" forum for more link info}

[Citroen]

What time is the main event?

09:15 EST which is 14:15 GMT

[mikvan52]

What time is the main event?

09:15 EST which is 14:15 GMT

Reports are that the Cuyahoga River has, once again, spontaneously burst into flame in anticipation!


reference:
http://faroutliers.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... 1952-1969/

There's something poetic about junk floating down a polluted river catching on fire and burning for days.......... Much like ranger's predictions, doncha know?

Just another "mistake by the lake" (Cleveland's epithet)

[Byron Drachman]

What time is the main event?

09:15 EST which is 14:15 GMT

Reports are that the Cuyahoga River has, once again, spontaneously burst into flame in anticipation!


reference:
http://faroutliers.wordpress.com/2008/0 ... 1952-1969/

There's something poetic about junk floating down a polluted river catching on fire and burning for days.......... Much like ranger's predictions, doncha know?

Just another "mistake by the lake" (Cleveland's epithet)

Hi Mike,

More Cleveland bashing:

http://www.newser.com/story/81413/most- ... ities.html

Byron

[bellboy]

Byron, you are a naughty man but a borderline genius!!!!

[mikvan52]

1:39, 1:39, 1:38, 1:34
6:30

ranger

The little engine that could.
1.39
1.45
1.48
1.51

7.03

let's see who is right, history is in my favor

Nothing hangs on any particular race.
I am just staying active and testing myself as I go along.

ranger

In the true (?) spirit of this being a forum of learning, perhaps we can reflect on the following burning question:
Will ranger's self described "UT1" hold up to an acidosis test?

wikipedia reference

"The acidosis that is associated with increases in lactate concentration during heavy exercise arises from a separate reaction. When ATP is hydrolysed, a hydrogen ion is released. ATP-derived hydrogen ions are primarily responsible for the decrease in pH. During intense exercise, aerobic metabolism cannot produce ATP quickly enough to supply the demands of the muscle. As a result, anaerobic metabolism becomes the dominant energy producing pathway as it can form ATP at high rates. Due to the large amounts of ATP being produced and hydrolysed in a short period of time, the buffering systems of the tissues are overcome, causing pH to fall (low pH being indicative of acidity) and creating a state of acidosis, a natural process which facilitates the easier dissociation of Oxyhaemoglobin and allows easier transfer of oxygen from the blood[2]. This may be one factor, among many, that contributes to the acute muscular discomfort experienced shortly after intense exercise."

I have repeatedly noticed that going out too fast, the vernacular of creating too much demand on the "anaerobic metabolism", before the 1000m mark in a 2k erg trial, produces dramatic consequences.

For an athlete like ranger and myself to do a first 500 of 1:39 (WR pace for 55-59 lights) has interesting consequences... The buffering system failure is too much to deal with... hence "handle down" syndrome....

Consequence: the last 500m prediction of "1:34" becomes out of the question.. Remember: The increase of watts needed to be produced to drop from 1:39 to 1:34 is not arithmetic but exponential...
Another way of looking at this:
a 5 second drop in pace is a roughly 5% (5 sec / 99 sec) drop
However (doing the math with a calculator) the wattage difference is

421 watts (1:34 pace)
361 watts (1:39 pace)
a 60 watt difference or (60/361) a 16.6% increase (not 5%!)

Where will such an athlete get the power from out of his personal chemistry? Having been rowing at over AT for roughly 4 minutes... there's nowhere to go when the athlete tries to put more "pedal to the metal"

A heart rate monitor would be useful to make such a prediction going into a 2k test... This is why ranger doesn't display actual HR data when he discusses his training.
It would show that his aerobic capacity is not on par with his predictions.

{end of overblown excursis}

[JimR]

Mike ... do you find ranger's postings on the science of exercise that appear to contradict generally accepted principals amusing ... he will likely post your information on acidosis is "crap".

After all his father is arguably the "inventor" of kinesology (which I think of as the study of the science of exercise) ... and his brother (like Mike Caviston) are learned kinesologists.

JimR

[lintonwilson]

Ranger is a show!!! Up against my good friend Nick Kip......

[mikvan52]

Mike ... do you find ranger's postings on the science of exercise that appear to contradict generally accepted principals amusing ... he will likely post your information on acidosis is "crap".

Yes, Jim: Extremely amusing.

Want to see acidosis in process?

Here is badocter's video that includes my latest experience with it.
(CRASH-b 2/14/2010)
Notice how my large muscle groups (legs) are shot... a dead give-away...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMqeYZOYI8U

(I'm wearing the orange and black bandana)

We'll see if there's any video forthcoming form Cleveland... (hmmm)

If someone had made me stand up right afterwards I would have danced the "Funky Chicken"

[PaulH]

Am I allowed to say that your arms seem to be breaking rather early there?

[mikvan52]

Paul: Most assuredly!