The Two Types of Training

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Post by Byron Drachman » February 20th, 2010, 10:16 am

An interesting short article from

http://www.sportsgeezer.com/sportsgeeze ... tness.html
February 16, 2010
America's Big Health Problem: Delusional Fitness

When researchers recently asked more than 2,000 people to compare their own health to the health of others, the answers added up to a mathematical impossibility: more than half of those questioned believed that the health of others was going in the wrong direction, and only 17 percent believed that there own health was going in the wrong direction. Wait, there's more delusion where that came from. Nearly 30 percent of the respondents gave themselves an A for managing their personal health, while 92 percent of doctors gave them a C or lower. Nearly a third of the study respondents gave themselves an A for eating healthy, while 92 percent of doctors gave them a C or lower. And roughly one third gave themselves an A for getting regular exercise, while 91 percent of physicians gave them a C or lower. --snip--

Other symptoms of delusional fitness include exaggerated reports of training volume, excessive intake of calories or alcohol causing an overweight condition and therefore requiring dehydration in order to make a weight requirement at a competition, and the unshakable belief that one is going to compete at a level that is not realistic.
Well, maybe that last sentence was not in the original article.

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Post by mikvan52 » February 20th, 2010, 10:47 am

ranger wrote:Image
Interesting that you didn't bother to wear your heart rate belt for your alledged UT1 test. Did yours break or something :P :P

I vaguely remember your having said that you can hold this kind of pacing at a much lower stroke rate.. :? I must be very confused.... Go figure!

I haven't read all the pages of "stuff" that's been put up here in the last couple of days.... Would like to know if you have changed any "long term goals" into short term deadlines.

I'm headed to the water... good luck with the rest of the erg year. I do believe you'll go under my best IND_V this year..................................But, BUT, BUT

I got the 2010 hammer and "the girl", forever, if I'm lucky:D

Here are the snap shots of my personal end of erg season

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IMHO: I feel happy to be able to end up #1 RIGHT NOW on 800k of erg training in a year while you do 10 times that amount and can't surpass my scores by the second week of February :D
i'd say that my training is effective even w/o comparison to yours, whatever your volume truly is....... :arrow: :idea:
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Post by ranger » February 20th, 2010, 10:52 am

mikvan52 wrote:Interesting that you didn't bother to wear your heart rate belt for your alledged UT1 test.
I'll post screen shots of a lot more 2Ks over the next eight weeks or so, and I'll include heart rates.

Can't remember why I didn't wear my belt for this one.

Better luck next time in your assault on the WR, although it might be a lot harder to catch up with the 55s lwt WR next year.

I think that I might lower it to something like 6:24 on March 6th.

Weight is good today.

Fat is acceptable: 10.8%

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I've decided to drive down to Cleveland today, so that things will be easier int he morning.

I'll stay in a Ramada Inn tonight on the west side of the city.

I row at 8:30 a.m. tomorrow.

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Post by mikvan52 » February 20th, 2010, 10:54 am

Rich,

Will you go out at sub 1:41 for the first 500m in Clevland?

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Post by PaulH » February 20th, 2010, 11:07 am

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote: Racing is entirely predictable
When you are fully trained, yes.
But you are fully trained - all you have left is sharpening, which you claim everyone does the same way, and to about the same effect - 12 seconds. And as you're half way through that, I assume you have 6 seconds left to gain.

So, you're predicting a 6:37 for the season based on your earlier screenshot time. Way short of your goals, but a very impressive time. All you need to take care of now is the actual doing thing that seems to trip you up so often.
ranger wrote:Can't remember why I didn't wear my belt for this one.
But didn't you do that this morning - in fact within the last few hours? How can you not remember why you did something so very recently? Oh wait, no, that's a row from 5 days ago that you've already posted to the thread. So why did you post it again? Could it be, perhaps, to confuse us into thinking that you'd done the row you claimed you were going to today?
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Post by mikvan52 » February 20th, 2010, 11:08 am

ranger wrote:(to mikvan52)....

Better luck next time in your assault on the WR, although it might be a lot harder to catch up with the 55s lwt WR next year.

{snip}

I've decided to drive down to Cleveland today, so that things will be easier int he morning.

I'll stay in a Ramada Inn tonight on the west side of the city.

I row at 8:30 a.m. tomorrow.
Hope you have some people to push along with....

I agree: Once we reach the later years of an over-50 five age group: Each year gets harder to row as fast as a WR 2k mark... Imagine that? Rowing well isn't enough.

Perusing the CRASH-B times by the top guys a yr-to-yr pattern of slowing down emerges (in my humble estimation) IMHE ..outside the border of shangri-la-la-land :wink: :D

Would appreciate an answer to my last post (9:54 am)...

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Post by Joanvb » February 20th, 2010, 12:08 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:....Well, maybe that last sentence was not in the original article.
:lol: Cute, Byron.
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Post by mikvan52 » February 20th, 2010, 12:35 pm

Index this one under: quote, tedious or ranger SPI, not as big as a number as advertised.


Source:
ranger wrote:Image
Analysis:

Click here
{note spi calculation for ranger's final 500m of the 2k}

Impetus to post: Asking myself: "Self? Why does ranger say he row all his stroke at over 11 or even 13 spi and then we a much lower number in what he calls a UT1 effort ?...."

I am very confused...

time to reflect on reality....

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Post by ranger » February 20th, 2010, 12:59 pm

PaulH wrote:But you are fully trained - all you have left is sharpening, which you claim everyone does the same way, and to about the same effect - 12 seconds.
I haven't tested myself fully over 2K yet.

The 6:48 was just a mild at home workout row, not a race.

UT1

Sure, if I get in a good 2K at one of these regattas, where I pull it right through the 2K to the limits of my capacity, with my HR at max, I would say that I only have six seconds or so beyond that left to get.

So let's see when that will be.

I think I probably won't get this 2K until the end of the indoor racing season at Detroit on March 6th.

Then, I think I will still have six seconds or so that I can get from continuing to sharpen for another six weeks or so until I am fully trained.

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Post by ranger » February 20th, 2010, 1:05 pm

mikvan52 wrote:Index this one under: quote, tedious or ranger SPI, not as big as a number as advertised.


Source:
ranger wrote:Image
Analysis:

Click here
{note spi calculation for ranger's final 500m of the 2k}

Impetus to post: Asking myself: "Self? Why does ranger say he row all his stroke at over 11 or even 13 spi and then we a much lower number in what he calls a UT1 effort ?...."

I am very confused...

time to reflect on reality....

Image
:D
UT1 rows are done at a lower SPI.

When I am fully trained up for it and race at TR for 2K, I'll pull 12.5 SPI.

I pulled 12 SPI at Baltimore in 2006.

Result: 6:29.7.

I am now pulling 500s, 1:36 @ 32 spm (12.5 SPI).

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Post by ranger » February 20th, 2010, 1:08 pm

mikvan52 wrote:Rich,

Will you go out at sub 1:41 for the first 500m in Clevland?
1:39, 1:39, 1:38, 1:34

6:30

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Post by hjs » February 20th, 2010, 1:17 pm

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:Rich,

Will you go out at sub 1:41 for the first 500m in Clevland?
1:39, 1:39, 1:38, 1:34

6:30

ranger


The little engine that could.


1.39
1.45
1.48
1.51

7.03


let's see who is right, history is in my favor :wink:

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Post by Yankeerunner » February 20th, 2010, 1:50 pm

mikvan52 wrote:


I got the 2010 hammer and "the girl", forever, if I'm lucky:D



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Life is good! B)

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Post by ranger » February 20th, 2010, 2:09 pm

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:Rich,

Will you go out at sub 1:41 for the first 500m in Clevland?
1:39, 1:39, 1:38, 1:34

6:30

ranger


The little engine that could.


1.39
1.45
1.48
1.51

7.03


let's see who is right, history is in my favor :wink:
Nothing hangs on any particular race.

I am just staying active and testing myself as I go along.

If I keep sharpening as I am, my 2K times will keep coming down--precipitously--for another two months or so.

When I approach being fully trained, my sharpening workouts will predict exactly what I can do over 2K.

I think I'll get through 20 x 500m, 1:36 @ 32 spm, over the next couple of weeks.

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Post by KevJGK » February 20th, 2010, 2:15 pm

ranger wrote: The 6:48 was just a mild at home workout row, not a race.
If you could have gone even a fraction of a second faster you would have.

You "forgot" your heart belt because it would have shown the truth.

You really are a deluded twat.
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