The Two Types of Training

[aharmer]

Rich, I have a challenge for you. You want to do a lot of race pace pieces the next few days, and claim to be posting screenshots of these pieces along the way.

I consider myself to be in about 6:40 shape right now which seems very relative to the situation at hand. Yesterday I did a 6x500m, 1'r. Averaged 1:37.7 and 32 spm.

This workout would seem to fit what you are going to be doing the next few days, why not knock this one out and try to best my average over the 3000m? I don't want to wager on the outcome, only ask that you post a screenshot regardless of outcome. I would be very curious to see how each of us do this workout versus our outcomes this weekend.

[ranger]

Rich, I have a challenge for you. You want to do a lot of race pace pieces the next few days, and claim to be posting screenshots of these pieces along the way.

I consider myself to be in about 6:40 shape right now which seems very relative to the situation at hand. Yesterday I did a 6x500m, 1'r. Averaged 1:37.7 and 32 spm.

This workout would seem to fit what you are going to be doing the next few days, why not knock this one out and try to best my average over the 3000m? I don't want to wager on the outcome, only ask that you post a screenshot regardless of outcome. I would be very curious to see how each of us do this workout versus our outcomes this weekend.

By race pace, I mean 1:34, my eventual race pace.

I am not racing that fast right now because I don't have my heart rate entirely up to speed.

Once my HR is up to speed, I will be fine, though.

So faster rowing is better now.

It forces up my heart rate.

Eventually, I need to do 500s at 1:31.

ranger

[ranger]

Rich, I have a challenge for you. You want to do a lot of race pace pieces the next few days, and claim to be posting screenshots of these pieces along the way.

I consider myself to be in about 6:40 shape right now which seems very relative to the situation at hand. Yesterday I did a 6x500m, 1'r. Averaged 1:37.7 and 32 spm.

This workout would seem to fit what you are going to be doing the next few days, why not knock this one out and try to best my average over the 3000m? I don't want to wager on the outcome, only ask that you post a screenshot regardless of outcome. I would be very curious to see how each of us do this workout versus our outcomes this weekend.

By race pace, I mean 1:34, my eventual race pace.

I am not racing that fast right now because I don't have my heart rate entirely up to speed.

Once my HR is up to speed, I will be fine, though.

So faster rowing in training is better for me now.

It forces up my heart rate.

Eventually, I need to do 500s at 1:31.

ranger

[KevJGK]

.....because I don't have my heart rate entirely up to speed.

[DUThomas]

Rich, I have a challenge for you.

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[W]hy not knock this one out and try to best my average over the 3000m?

aharmer, could you please clarify one thing? Was that basically a yes or no question?

[snowleopard]

.....because I don't have my heart rate entirely up to speed.

Never fails to make me laugh either.

ranger, even if you press the erg over your head 100 times in a minute for five minutes you won't see 180 on your HRM -- geddit

[mikvan52]

The lure of 6:28 solved!!!

http://www.worldrowing.com/display/modu ... wid=324073

ranger wants to be as good as the all time fastest erging woman..

C'est triste, mon ami! T'es fou; ça n'arrivera jamais...

"Pleurez, pleurez mes yeux
Et fondez-vous en eau"

[rjw]

No, the airlines did.
I had no control over the airlines.
I was standing at O'Hare International for six hours, trying to get a plane to Boston.
There weren't any.

ranger

You should have made that an exception, but you didn,t so tough luck

Rich - If you miss the plane by 5 seconds you still miss the plane! The bet was still lost and you did not honor the agreement as made at the time. You changed the agreement after the fact.

Pretty simple, no?

[ausrwr]

He'd still be slower.
She went 6:25.4, if I recall correctly.
Rumour has a few girls from several countries pulling 6:28 or lower.

[mikvan52]

.....because I don't have my heart rate entirely up to speed.

Never fails to make me laugh either.

ranger, even if you press the erg over your head 100 times in a minute for five minutes you won't see 180 on your HRM -- geddit

Snowleo'

I'm amazed how many people (other than our bestest favorite) do believe that they can train their heart rate up in time....

It seems to be a sticking point in education...

In case anyone wonders: There are NO examples of this....

[Byron Drachman]

I'm amazed how many people (other than our bestest favorite) do believe that they can train their heart rate up in time....
It seems to be a sticking point in education...
In case anyone wonders: There are NO examples of this....

Leadville discussed this once.

Here is another source. From http://home.hia.no/~stephens/hrttrn.htm

The important thing to remember is: Maximal heart rate does not increase after training. It stays the same (or might even decrease just slightly). However, maximal stroke volume increases. Therefore maximal cardiac output increases in response to exercise. This is the primary reason for the increase in VO2 max!

And here is a link to a chart showing how the heart rate will decrease for the same output after training:

http://home.hia.no/~stephens/hrwlrel.htm

[snowleopard]

It seems to be a sticking point in education...

Mike, I think you've got it!

Our hero has a sticky heart. It so wants to beat faster but an excess of Muscle Glue [sic] somehow restrains the ventricles and it just kinda bulges Popeye style instead.

(I feel a cartoon coming on..........)

[nycbone]

It seems to be a sticking point in education...

Mike, I think you've got it!

Our hero has a sticky heart. It so wants to beat faster but an excess of Muscle Glue [sic] somehow restrains the ventricles and it just kinda bulges Popeye style instead.

(I feel a cartoon coming on..........)

He's strong to the finish, 'cause he eats his Spinach

[leadville]

-snipe [typo intended]-
ranger - I am not racing that fast right now because I don't have my heart rate entirely up to speed.

Once my HR is up to speed, I will be fine, though.

So faster rowing in training is better for me now.

It forces up my heart rate.

-snip-

Ah, the ol' 'can't get it up' problem, eh, ranger?

I hear they got a pill can fix that reeeel quik-like....

[leadville]

but seriously...

A common symptom of overtraining is an inability to get the heart rate up close to maximal levels. This is likely what's affecting our hero.

IF accurately reported, our hero's workouts are far too intense, there is inadequate rest, and there is far too much emphasis on high HR work when the research indicates a large volume of relatively low intensity training delivers far better results.

Alas, ol' didactic-a-saurus will plod on with his misguided efforts to get his HR up, descending further and further into the abyss of the chronically over-trained.



If our hero races this weekend, his results will likely be on par with, if not worse than, his last witnessed effort. And they will not improve over the next few weeks. I'm betting he doesn't race this weekend or any more this season; he's just getting slower and slower due to his ignorant training regime.

Our hero shot his wad, and it didn't dent a rice paper screen.