The Two Types of Training

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 1:57 pm

aharmer wrote:All I know is that within the last two weeks Mike sat on an erg at a race and pulled 6:49. You sat on an erg at a race and pulled 7:11. Until you sit on an erg at a race and do anything except pull 7:11, you are a 7:11 2k guy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sure.

That's the game.

I have three more regattas and three weeks of training.

Training is coming along great.

If I get 8 x 500m, 1:32-1:34 done this week, the prediction will be 6:28 or faster for Cleveland.

ranger

kini62 · Post by **kini62** » February 14th, 2010, 2:01 pm

ranger wrote:
The erg is a truth machine.

ranger

And the truth is, that you are NOW a middling level erger who lives in the past. Phhfftt- 7:11, shit nearly anyone can do that AND without training for "60 million meters"

You are now and forever more a certified HAS BEEN. Enjoy.

Gene

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 2:20 pm

kini62 wrote:
ranger wrote:
The erg is a truth machine.

ranger
And the truth is, that you are NOW a middling level erger who lives in the past. Phhfftt- 7:11, shit nearly anyone can do that AND without training for "60 million meters"

You are now and forever more a certified HAS BEEN. Enjoy.

Gene

It is more than a little premature to assess what I will have done this year, when the winter racing season finally concludes for me in Detroit March 7th.

You can check the rankings in three weeks.

That will give you the information.

The facts will be recorded there permanently, independent of all the talk.

Honestly, I think I will do all of the 2Ks in my AT 4 x 2K workouts over the next three weeks quite a bit faster than Mike rowed for one 2K, flat out, at WIRC.

In fact, I think I have a good chance of doing 4 x 2K below WR pace (1:39.5), which Mike predicted he could reach, but missed by three seconds per 500m.

In any event, we will have to wait three weeks to see what my training will lead me to this year in terms of one 2K, flat out, at a race venue.

My point about Mike is just about rhetoric and the words that have been slung around here.

The gap between Mike's words and deeds this year was 12 seconds, exactly the amount that I have been suggesting I might improve on what I did in 2002-2003, when I am fully trained, and so what I have been laboring so long to realize.

Therefore, the fact is, even if I fail entirely, Mike's talk about his training has been just as "fantastic" as mine has been.

And, of course, if I succeed, which I seem to be doing in my training at the moment, and still have quite a bit have time to work on, my talk will have been sensible, practical, real, and factual--all along.

Only Mike's will have been "fantastic."

Interesting situation, no?

ranger

aharmer · Post by **aharmer** » February 14th, 2010, 2:34 pm

You promised a 4x2k screenshot today.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:02 pm

After doing some quality AT 4 x 2K sessions this week, the next week will be time to do some hard, isolated, at-home 2Ks, 1K @ 2K + 2, 500m @ 2K + 1, then all out to the end.

Back in 2003, I did these hard, isolated, at-home 2Ks at 6:32.

2K was 1:37, so splits on these isolated 2Ks came out:

1:39, 1:39, 1:38, 1:36.

I am quite a bit better than that now.

Back in 2003, in my races, I got to 1K twice in 3:12, at St. Catharines and at Paris, but I didn't have the training to sustain that kind of power through the second K.

I finished both of these races in 6:32.

Once I get my HR completely up to max and responding quickly, I think I now have the training on technique and stroking power to complete these rows, with a kick.

If so, the splits would be 1:36, 1:36, 1:36, 1:34.

6:22

Back in 2003, when I went out in 1:36, the splits came back:

1:36, 1:36, 1:40, 1:40.

I could only hold the 1:36s for 1K.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:19 pm

Gosh.

For all his posturing here, I see that Jon Bone/NavHaz, pulling 6:30.8, was 19 seconds off the pace in his race at WIRC.

At 52, John's age now, I rowed better than him as a lightweight at WIRC 2003.

I pulled 6:30 flat.

As a heavyweight, in my first WIRC, at 51, I pulled 6:28.5.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see, but as a lightweight just a few days short of 60, I might well outpull Jon by a considerable margin this year.

That's pretty embarrassing.

Jon often talks about threatening Dick Cashin's 55s hwt WR.

But at 52 and pulling 6:30, this is just wild overestimation.

Like Mike VB, it misses the mark by more than my projected goals, which have been ridiculed here--mercilessly.

If Jon pulls 6:30 at 52, the projection is that he will pull 6:37 when he is 55, almost 20 seconds off of what he likes to claim.

I pulled 6:29.7 when I was 55, without even preparing for it, just on the basis of foundational rowing, with no distance rowing or sharpening.

Jon is a half a foot taller than I am and 100 pounds heavier.

Yep.

The erg is a truth machine.

ranger

aharmer · Post by **aharmer** » February 14th, 2010, 4:30 pm

You promised a 4x2k screenshot today

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:31 pm

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ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:33 pm

Ah.

I see that Paul Siebach's times are already falling off, precipitously.

He pulled 6:31.2 at 51.

I pulled 6:28 at just shy of 53, not even knowing how to row.

Hmm.

If Paul is pulling 6:31 at 51, the projection is that he's pull 6:47 when he is 59, 6:49 when he is 60.

It will be interesting to see how this history plays itself out.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:38 pm

Ah.

I see that Bob Spousta, at just 60 years of age, one year older than I am, won the 60s hwts in 6:33.6.

Rowing as a lightweight, I might outrow Bob by quite a margin this year, too.

Bob weighs about 195 lbs.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:44 pm

Ah.

At 57, two years younger than I am, Tore Foss now rows over 6:30, too.

When I pulled 6:30 as a lightweight at WIRC 2003, Tore pulled 6:11.

This year, rowing as a lightweight, I might also outpull Tore by a considerable margin.

Tore is a giant.

6'8"?

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:47 pm

aharmer wrote:You promised a 4x2k screenshot today

Yea, but I didn't do it.

In my warm up distance rowing, I was do so well, I didn't think it was necessary to take breaks.

I was doing 1:40 @ 28 spm for long stretches.

In his training for WIRC, Mike VB never did one prediction workout: 8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, 4 x 2K, etc.

Now we see why.

He said that his 2K at Rick Bayko's was 2K + 3, etc.

BS, all of it.

Not very upstanding stuff, given the talk here thrown at me.

A total dodge.

Yep.

The erg is a truth machine.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » February 14th, 2010, 4:53 pm

I see that, at 37, Eskild E. now rows 6:16.

That seems to be his standard score.

If I can do 6:16, I will be rowing as well as Eskild.

Interesting situation.

In a few days, I will be 60.

ranger

PaulH · Post by **PaulH** » February 14th, 2010, 4:57 pm

ranger wrote:A total dodge.

A partial dodge, surely? A total dodge would be not even turning up.

7:11
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BrianStaff · Post by **BrianStaff** » February 14th, 2010, 4:59 pm

ranger wrote: If I pull 6:33 in one of my last three regattas, I get as close to my pb, and with a time that is almost 17 seconds faster overall.

If I pull 6:28 in one of my last three regattas, I get five seconds closer to my pb, by meeting it, and get as close to my lifetime ambition, 6:16, which I am far from being fully trained for, but am making good progress toward, as Mike got to his prediction for this year, and with a time that is almost 22 seconds faster than Mike's, overall.

If I pull 6:22 in one of these regattas, I get eleven seconds on Mike with respect to my pb and twice as close to my lifetime ambition as Mike did to his prediction for this year, with a time that is almost 28 seconds faster than Mike's, overall.

If I pull 6:16 in one of my last three regatta, I get 17 seconds on Mike with respect to my pb and a dozen seconds closer to my lifetime ambition, by meeting it, than Mike did to his prediction for this year, and with a time that is almost 34 seconds faster than Mike's, overall.

Game on.

It's nice to have some facts to consider.

The erg is a truth machine.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Lets see what your results have been in the last 10 months:

Indianapolis - DNS
Cincinnati: 7:11 with 8 handle-downs
Boston: DNS & DNS

You really are a pathetic human being. Not only do you bleat on & on about totally unrealistic visions, you tell lie after lie about what you do on the erg on a daily basis.

60 million meters - that's a lie
30K every day - that's a lie
multiple 500m (20, 30 did you say) at whatever pace- that's a lie
most of what you post...is a lie

Stop lying - how can you live with yourself day after day?

How many times did you stop in 2K at Cincinnati? EIGHT was it! - you might be physically strong for lightweight but you have zero mental strength.

Fly & die..ha!

Mike today performed better than you and faster than you.