The Two Types of Training

[mikvan52]

Question:
When you give a mid-term exam: Do students ever say "wait until the end of the year! ... then I'll take this assessment test..." ???

Rich: You're sidestepping the intent of testing.... What can you do next week? Not: "What can you do "fully sharpened"...

If I can test on 1/5 of the meters you purportedly do and you won't even try....?
That speaks volumes in itself...
No wonder you aren't coached.........
The coach would "fire" you...

I began this year's erg training on November 14th, 2009... You've been erging all along.... What's your assessment on that? I began just 3 months ago! You were "ready for a 6:28 a full month before I even sat down on an erg in the 2010 season"....I am bewildered TSTL (to say the least)

Supporting documentation:


1st training session for WIRC 2010:

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=7679&b=68413

I did have a residual base coming off my best OTW season ever…

I did NO ERGING ALL SUMMER AND EARLY FALL

You, OTOH, a "mega meter" man with the huge base.

My base IS since May 1, 2009:

2,189,601m total meters in
170:46:34.2


otw=1,393,151m in
116:36:15.6

OTErg= 788,967m in
53:23:41.1
or 3,204 minutes to row 788967m... that's 2:03 pace... so, you see, I am not "racing my training"
That's nothing compared to your 30k a day (or whatever you actually do)
BTW: your 30k a day for three 28-day months amounts to a whopping 2,700,000 or more total meters in 3 months than I've done in 9!!!

Lastly: During this period I have raced others in 11 venues involving 27 events (heats, semis, and finals) as compared with your one event last weekend where you handled down 8 times...

Perhaps it's time for you to do some testing to see what's the matter.. Just an idea...

[chgoss]

My distance rowing is now coming to full fruition.When I sat down on the erg this morning, my HR reading was 43 bpm.
Then I just rowed and rowed, 1:45 @ 25 spm for an hour with my HR in the middle 150s.
That means that within the month, I will row a FM @ 1:45 and 60min at 1:40.
Amazing stuff.

"if I can row a couple hundred meters, rest, row a couple hundred meters, rest, etc.. then I can, with enough hard work, maintain the top end pace for the entire piece"
nonsense..

[ranger]

A professional rower with amateur times!

Yea, if I get the dozen seconds of improvement that I have been looking for, and this seems inevitable now, given how my distance rowing is coming along, I will only pull 6:16, certainly no world class time for a lightweight.

Then again, I will be 60 years old in a few days, so I will be happy with it anyway.

If I indeed get to 6:16, as I think I will, the professional training will have been worth it.

No question.

What I have done over the last few years will be the best bit of training by an age-group indoor rower in the history of the sport--again, no question.

A lwt 6:16 meets the qualifying standard for the US National Team.

A lwt 6:16 is 26 seconds under the present 60s lwt WR (6:42), 22 seconds under the present 55s lwt WR, nine seconds under the present 50s lwt WR (6:25), and two seconds under the present lwt 40s and hwt 55s WRs (6:18).

Nice!

ranger

[snowleopard]

Then again, I will be 60 years old in a few days, so I will be happy with it anyway.

-- snip --

A lwt 6:16 is 26 seconds under the present 60s lwt WR (6:42)

And 55 seconds -- yes, almost a minute -- faster than your current 2K

Oh, and btw, you only just turned 59 so it's nearly a year until you are 60. How effin stupid do you have to be to not know (or lie about) your age?

[ranger]

Do you give a mid-term exam?

Sure, but never on material that we have not yet studied.

That's ridiculous.

You know how I am doing my training.

I am not just training to race (as in the IP plan), or working up all of the training bands simultaneously (as in the WP), I am working up through the training bands sequentially.

I have indeed been giving myself mid-term exams.

I have told you all about them.

No need to mention them again.

I am now getting ready to test my distance rowing.

When I am done with that, I will sharpen.

I suppose that any sort of sharpening workout is a test.

So when you are sharpening, you are testing yourself every day.

Then I will race (as you are going to on Sunday).

Since I am just working out of UT1 rowing and into AT rowing, I might try 4 x 2K on Sunday and see how it goes.

That's a nice AT workout.

What can you do on 4 x 2K?

1:47?

I think I can now do 1:40.

If so, I can then try a 5K at 1:40.

My pbs for both of these are 1:43.

ranger

[snowleopard]

What can you do on 4 x 2K?

1:47?

That's right. Mike can do four of them faster than you can do one

[chgoss]

What can you do on 4 x 2K?
1:47?
I think I can now do 1:40.

why do you persist in this nonsense?? you cant do a single 2k at 1:45, and yet you "think" you can do 4x2k at 1:40?

madness...

[bellboy]

A light bulb has just switched on in my head.Its taken 3 years of reading this wank but i think iv finally got it! Our erstwhile hero says that he is 60 "in a few days".About 350 i think. This provokes a response because we can all point out the bare faced lie. Ranger is then momentarily sated. If he is the person we all presume he is then his job is done but im now sure nay convinced that we are all part of a grand sociological experiment! Papers will be written about our replies for years to come.
Ranger-if he didnt exist we`d have to invent him

[Byron Drachman]

Sharpening is irrelevant to 2K performance.

Total balderdash. You yourself bleat on ad nauseum about how you and everyone else in the rowing world get 12 seconds from "sharpening" (whatever you actually mean by that).

As for my training, how is that possibly relevant to your avoidance of your own oft-avowed principles?

Is it because they're cockamamie? Or is it because you're such a contrarian you refuse to accept even your own advice? The two are not mutually exclusive possibilities, mind you....

I didn't say that sharpening wasn't necessary in order to row a quality 2K.
Lord, look at what happened to me over the weekend.
I said that everyone sharpens in the same way with the same benefit.
Therefore, sharpening is irrelevant in distinguishing a good 2K performance from a bad one.
Someone who rows 7:30 for 2K might well still get 12 seconds over 2K from sharpening.
So might someone who rows 7:00, 6:30, or 6:00.
What differentiates the four rowers is what they pull at 10 MPS for 60min, not what they did in sharpening.
And to row your best for 60min you don't have to sharpen at all.
What distinguishes rowers, good from bad, is how effective and efficient they are.
This has nothing to do with sharpening.
It has to do with UT rowing, both UT2 (effectiveness) and UT1 (efficiency).
ranger

Hi Nav,

With your obvious mastery of foreign languages you still haven't cracked the code of Ranger-speak, a language at one time believed to be related to English, but upon further examination perhaps not.

Positive means negative, up means down, forward means backward, will means will not, numbers do not have precise meanings, and future and present tenses (or moods) are indistinguishable.

For example the statement in Ranger-speak: I will do a 6:28 2K at the end of the month in ordinary English means I will not do a 6:28 2K at the end of the month.

irrelevant in Ranger-speak means relevant in ordinary English.

6:16 means 7:11 for a sufficiently large value of 6 and sufficiently small value of 16.

There is this nice example of the meaning of one year in Ranger-speak:

Then again, I will be 60 years old in a few days.

Here are some practice sentences or paragraphs you can work on. The task is to translate them from Ranger-speak to English.

1. I used to row like s%#t. I now row well.

2. Indeed I will. We are upstanding folks. We pay our bets, if we lose.

3. I am now ready to race OTW.

4. At the end of the month, I am going to do a FM@1:45

5. My attempt to get better has involved improving my technique. That work is done. I now row well (13 SPI).

[NavigationHazard]

1. I used to row like s%#t. I now row well.

2. Indeed I will. We are upstanding folks. We pay our bets, if we lose.

3. I am now ready to race OTW.

4. At the end of the month, I am going to do a FM@1:45

5. My attempt to get better has involved improving my technique. That work is done. I now row well (13 SPI).

Translations:

1. "I was so much older than that then, I'm younger than that now."

2. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God."

3. "I came to Casablanca for the waters."

4. "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day."

5. "I failed to make the chess team because of my height."

[Citroen]

6:16 means 7:11 for a sufficiently large value of 6 and sufficiently small value of 16.

You crack me up somedays.

Ranger-math is a completely new discipline of mathematics, closely related to Ranger-physics where normal laws and constants don't apply.

[johnlvs2run]

this is a very common theme on message boards...for teenage girls.

That explains the direction of the ranger threads, it being all the teenage girls on them!

[Nosmo]

1. I used to row like s%#t. I now row well.

2. Indeed I will. We are upstanding folks. We pay our bets, if we lose.

3. I am now ready to race OTW.

4. At the end of the month, I am going to do a FM@1:45

5. My attempt to get better has involved improving my technique. That work is done. I now row well (13 SPI).

Translations:

1. "I was so much older than that then, I'm younger than that now."

2. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God."

3. "I came to Casablanca for the waters."

4. "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day."

5. "I failed to make the chess team because of my height."

1. Look at me
2. Look at me
3. look at me
4. look at me
5. I'm the best, pay attention to me.

[snowleopard]

1. I used to row like s%#t. I now row well.

2. Indeed I will. We are upstanding folks. We pay our bets, if we lose.

3. I am now ready to race OTW.

4. At the end of the month, I am going to do a FM@1:45

5. My attempt to get better has involved improving my technique. That work is done. I now row well (13 SPI).

Translations:

1. "I was so much older than that then, I'm younger than that now."

2. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God."

3. "I came to Casablanca for the waters."

4. "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day."

5. "I failed to make the chess team because of my height."

1. Look at me
2. Look at me
3. look at me
4. look at me
5. I'm the best, pay attention to me.

1. I once caught a catfish that weighed more than me.

2. We needed two more yaks to carry all our equipment.

3. Boil hard for one minute then simmer.

4. The summer train schedule will be introduced on May 16th.

5. Our new rig is finally anchored to the seabed.

[nycbone]

Translations:

1. "I was so much older than that then, I'm younger than that now."

2. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God."

3. "I came to Casablanca for the waters."

4. "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day."

5. "I failed to make the chess team because of my height."

1. Look at me
2. Look at me
3. look at me
4. look at me
5. I'm the best, pay attention to me.

1. I once caught a catfish that weighed more than me.

2. We needed two more yaks to carry all our equipment.

3. Boil hard for one minute then simmer.

4. The summer train schedule will be introduced on May 16th.

5. Our new rig is finally anchored to the seabed.

I take one one one cause you left me and
two two two for my family and
three three three for my heartache and
four four four for my headaches and
five five five for my lonely and
six six six for my sorrow and
seven seven for no tomorrow and
eight eight I forget what eight was for and
nine nine nine for the lost gods
ten ten ten ten for everything everything everything