The Two Types of Training

[ranger]

What possibly makes you think you are communicating with a reasonable human

You are right that the best rowers are not very reasonable.

Thank God.

There are lots of great things in life besides reason.

And reason will get you nowhere in rowing.

Communication is also overrated.

Rowing has nothing to do with communication.

Reason and communication have to do with our practical lives: justice.

The rest of life is what really counts: truth, goodness, and beauty.

Rowing is all about a kind of passionate physical madness, done well.

The erg is a truth machine.

The rowing stroke is beautiful.

And rowing well takes a remarkably balanced blend ("goodness") of skills, habits, capacities, and intelligences.

ranger

[snowleopard]

That distance stroke, 1:40 @ 30 spm, is my Head of the Charles stroke OTW.

You will fall asleep at the oars, be spun around by the current and finish your race in Boston Harbour.

[APM]

Arhhh..... So this is the new Ranger thread on his theoretical aim to capture the 60's LWT WR?

[ranger]

Arhhh..... So this is the new Ranger thread on his theoretical aim to capture the 60's LWT WR?

Welcome to the little engine that could.



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ranger

[ranger]

"A lot of people run a race to see who is fastest. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more."
Steve Prefontaine

Yea, Steve wasn't fast at all.

As a 5K/10K guy, he could only run a 3:56 mile.



Slow as molasses.

ranger

[ranger]

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ranger

[snowleopard]

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ranger

Why the vicarious association with tough guys? You're a pussy.

[APM]

So what's your mile pb ranger?

A 2 minute mile, over the course of 3 weeks running 50 metres at a time?

[lancs]

The erg is a truth machine.

Hence your 7:11 2k.

Sorry to hear your training hasn't produced any results yet. And by results I mean completed 2ks, at weight and within say 10 seconds or so of your targets.

Good luck with the rest of your season, I'd suggest aiming for something like a 6:45 or so and see if you can manage that.

[chgoss]

There are two types of training
(1) training that advances your base so that you have the possibility of going faster than you did last year or five years ago
(2) training that gets you ready to race.

A somewhat different repackaging of your previous definition (see below), 2 questions:
- why the shift from 3 stages to 2?
- does your "12 second rule" apply to training type #2? (i.e. one can only consider training type #1 completed if they are within 12 seconds of their target race goal)

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Ranger's stages of training 
(1) Row effectively/foundational rowing (at low rates, middle distances, and high stroking power). Don't race your training!
(2) Row efficiently/hard distance rowing/pre-sharpening (at low stroking powers, long distances, and up to 30 spm). Don't race your training!
(3) Sharpening (at high rates, middling stroking powers, and short distances, 2 month's at most). Now it's time to race your training!. Get out the clock and bust it to the max!
(4) Race (at middling rates, middling stroking powers, and middling distances).

Notes: 
- "Dont race your training" means: dont record the time it took to complete a distance, regardless of the rate or pace of that session, as the very act of recording the time/distace transforms a stage 1 or 2 session, into a stage 3 "sharpening" session.
- A person can only start #3 when they are within 12 seconds of their target race goal. 

[ranger]

The erg is a truth machine.

Hence your 7:11 2k.

Sorry to hear your training hasn't produced any results yet. And by results I mean completed 2ks, at weight and within say 10 seconds or so of your targets.

Good luck with the rest of your season, I'd suggest aiming for something like a 6:45 or so and see if you can manage that.

Nah.

I don't have any interest in 6:45.

I'll just keep pulling along at 32 spm or so until I row a 2K right through.

Then, when I get that done, I'll up the rate to 34 spm.

Training is coming along great.

I now have the rate up to 38 spm.

So I am getting in a good position for 8 x 500m and 1K trials.

When I rate 38 spm, I pull 1:31 (12.3 SPI)

So far, lack of results in racing, given my training, has just been a result of no race preparation.

That's hardly a flaw in a training plan.

I am not on a team or aiming to race at any particular place or time.

So there is plenty of time to prepare to race.

The rest of my life.

As it stands now, I guess I'll be preparing to race all next year.

No reason to go back to foundational work or even lower rate distance rowing.

I now push my distance rowing to 30 spm.

And since I row well, I don't need to do any more rowing at low rates.

So, I guess I can spend the rest of my time doing long sprint workouts, like Nav.

That should get me _very_ ready to race.

ranger

[mikvan52]

When winners get knocked down, they get up..........

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ranger

The answer to Prefontaine...{drum roll}

Viren!



“The cop from Finland was running in fifth place when he tripped and fell to the track with 14 laps to go. Passed (and partially trampled) by the rest of the leading pack, Virén got back on his feet, caught up and eventually fought all the way to the front, setting a world record in the process.”




1972 OLYMPIC GAMES

(EXERPT)

“Down But Not Out
By ARTHUR DALEY
September 3, 1972 MUNICH, West Germany-With a fancier flourish than ever was used by Paavo Nurmi and Finlandís other great Olympic distance-running champions of yesteryear, the 23-year-old Lasse Viren rebounded from the brink of disaster to win the classic 10,000-meter title today. Knocked down in a traffic tangle somewhere near the midway mark, the handsome young man with the tightly cropped beard climbed off the deck and set out in pursuit of the leaders 60 yards ahead. After he caught them, he not only went on to score a smashing victory but also set a world record of 27 minutes 38.3 seconds.

When Viren tumbled in the backstretch along with Mohamed Gammoudi of Tunisia, the 5,000-meter champion of 1968, both seemed finished. The Tunisian actually dropped out. But the indomitable Finn hadn’t started to run. In less than half a lap he had rejoined the leaders and was definitely back in contention.

With 9 1/2 laps to go, Viren whipped past Bedford and sent the Britisher into permanent decline. With two laps Haro, the surprising Spaniard, took brief command. Viren reclaimed the lead, fought Puttemans around the last turn and beat him by eight yards. Yifter was third and Haro fourth. In fifth place was Shorter and his time of 27:51.4 represents an American record.

On Sept. 10, Lasse Viren won his second gold medal of the Munich Games, winning the 5,000 meters in an Olympic-record 13:26.4. He also became a double gold medalist in the 5,000 and 10,000 at the 1976 Games at Montreal.”

[JimR]

Even after walking away for nearly a year I wass able to pick-up the plot on this whole fictional story of Ranger and a 6:16 2K.

Mike ... you lost me on the tangent of truly great athletes and how that relates to ranger who is quite the opposite.

JimR

[ranger]

When winners get knocked down, they get up

No need for the drama.

You can't get knocked down at all until you race, fully prepared, i.e., standing up.

I am still a fair distance away from being fully prepared.

And then, when you are fully prepared, in erging at least, there is not much chance of getting knocked down at all.

In erging, racing is entirely predictable.

It follows by formula from training (sprint pbs, distance pbs, predictor sharpening workouts, etc.).

There is no uncertainty whatsoever.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Even after walking away for nearly a year I wass able to pick-up the plot on this whole fictional story of Ranger and a 6:16 2K.

Mike ... you lost me on the tangent of truly great athletes and how that relates to ranger who is quite the opposite.

JimR

Sorry for being vague and, perhaps a mite bit 'random'

Point: Viren was somehow able to string together a "double/double" set of golds in the '72 & '76 Olympics...(none of the "learn how to" stuff)
Also: He not only got knocked down in a 10k final in Munich, but he got up and won with a WR....

A good example for candidacy for a JFDI award of the century in an endurance sport, wouldn't one think?
What a consistent winner on the international level ! .... better than a Prefontaine....IMHO