6:28 2K

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 1:04 pm

Mike--

If you could do 40 x 500m, 1:37 @ 31 spm, you'd have an AT of 1:37 rather than 1:47, as you do now.

For you, 1:37 is AN, not AT.

You miss it by two training bands.

AN----1:37
TR
AT----1:47
UT1
UT2

ranger

Rocket Roy · Post by **Rocket Roy** » January 31st, 2010, 1:08 pm

what time is your race today?

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 1:08 pm

KevJGK wrote:Five weeks until what?

The end of the indoor racing season.

So I have five weeks of sharpening to prepare for a race.

There is a whole panoply of races available.

I am registered for them all.

I am registered for _two_ races at WIRC--the 55s lwt and the Open lwt.

I am registered for Cincinnati this coming weekend, then WIRC, Cleveland, Chicago, and Detroit.

So whenever I want to race, I can.

When I am not racing, I will be sharpening.

HARD

ranger

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » January 31st, 2010, 1:13 pm

From the Cleveland Clinic:
--snip--
In many cases, people with narcissistic personality disorder:

Are self-centered and boastful

Seek constant attention and admiration

Consider themselves better than others

Exaggerate their talents and achievements

--snip--

The exact cause of narcissistic personality disorder is not known. However, many mental health professionals believe it results from extremes in child rearing. For example, the disorder might develop as the result of excessive pampering, or when a child’s parents have a need for their children to be talented or special in order to maintain their own self-esteem. --snip-- The disorder usually is evident by early adulthood.

--snip--

© Copyright 1995-2009 The Cleveland Clinic Foundation. All rights reserved.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 1:27 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:The disorder usually is evident by early adulthood.

Yes, the contemporary disorder known as high self-esteem, confidence, and pride of accomplishment from dedicated service well performed is just emerging for me in my early adulthood, age 60!

The contemporary virtue of morbid self-denigration, personal self-effacement, excruciating sensitivity to failure of any sort, and therefore spineless avoidance of anything challenging that might, even in the remotest possibility, result in failure, is evident everywhere and emerges now, well, uh, like, who knows?, from birth.

ranger

azuroff · Post by **azuroff** » January 31st, 2010, 1:32 pm

ranger wrote:So whenever I want to race, I can.

ranger wrote:Races are just a distraction--travel, waiting around, spending money, making weight, etc.

Best of luck to you, if and when you decide that races are no longer a distraction.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 1:35 pm

azuroff wrote:
ranger wrote:So whenever I want to race, I can.

ranger wrote:Races are just a distraction--travel, waiting around, spending money, making weight, etc.
Best of luck to you, if and when you decide that races are no longer a distraction.

Thanks.

ranger

azuroff · Post by **azuroff** » January 31st, 2010, 1:36 pm

ranger wrote:spineless avoidance of anything challenging that might, even in the remotest possibility, result in failure

Rocket Roy wrote:what time is your race today?

This is just too good...

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 1:39 pm

azuroff wrote:
ranger wrote:spineless avoidance of anything challenging that might, even in the remotest possibility, result in failure

Rocket Roy wrote:what time is your race today?
This is just too good...

Racing is indeed a distraction, if you want to row your best.

Training determines racing--absolutely.

You need to pick your races carefully.

Race when you are ready.

Otherwise, train.

HARD

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 2:23 pm

mikvan52 wrote: Jan 29, 2010
1250m @ 1:40.8 pace; rate: 33 spm hr=150 bpm at end
8' active rest incl. 5:08 active paddle ...hr=107 bpm at end (1019m)
.
750m @ 1:39.3pace; rate: 36 spm hr=151 bpm at end
8' active rest incl. 5:07 active paddle...hr=107 bpm at end (923m)
.
500m 1:36.1 pace; rate 36 spm; hr=151 at end
8' active rest incl. 5:27 active paddle...hr=107 at end (1012m)
.
500m 1:36.8 pace; rate 39 spm; hr=150 (highest)
.

2k cool down - 8:34.9

Stuff like this gets me ready to do my best.

Do you have anything in a similar format that you'd like to share?

Well, I think that, much better than this, is 5K, 4K, 3K, 2K, 1K, 500m, which I did repeatedly in the fall of 2003.

1:45, 1:43, 1:41, 1:39, 1:37, 1:35

In the fall of 2003, I also liked to insert a couple of 1Ks at 1:35, substituting for the 500s, in the middle of 8 x 500m @ 1:35.

That was to prepare for a 6:28 2K.

I am now preparing to pull 6:16.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 2:24 pm

Mike--

What is your pb on 8 x 500m (3:30 rest)?

Mine is 1:33.5, but I am quite a bit better than that now.

I think I'll now do 1:30 (@ 38 spm, 12.5 SPI).

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 2:28 pm

azuroff wrote:
ranger wrote:spineless avoidance of anything challenging that might, even in the remotest possibility, result in failure

Rocket Roy wrote:what time is your race today?
This is just too good...

You avoid failure in your ambition/personal standards and your training, not in your racing.

Anyone can say: "I am going to pull a 2K in 10:00"--and then do it.

Or better, pulling 9:59, say: "PB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!."

Truth!

Success!

Just what I predicted!

In fact, better!

ranger

johnlvs2run · Post by **johnlvs2run** » January 31st, 2010, 2:43 pm

2 B a motofiller wrote:Paul Randall (90+ lwt)

rowed around a 10'30" at 93 years young, qualified for Boston

Awesome.

mikvan52 · Post by **mikvan52** » January 31st, 2010, 2:44 pm

ranger wrote:Mike--

If you could do 40 x 500m, 1:37 @ 31 spm, you'd have an AT of 1:37 rather than 1:47, as you do now.

For you, 1:37 is AN, not AT.

You miss it by two training bands.

AN----1:37
TR
AT----1:47
UT1
UT2

ranger

Do you have any idea how myopic it would be to take any remark like the above seriously?
I think you do.

Compare the two following youtubes
The first ends with me sculling at 1:54/500 pace.. smoothly.(sep 09)
The second is a 1:39 500m on the erg... not so smooth... (feb 09)

Now look at my primary goal: TO win my division at the Head of the Charles regatta 4800m race.

What should I be doing most?

Answer: Sculling well.

In the meantime I train for it. This means using an OTW stroke on the erg.. even if it means I go slower on the erg.

ask yourself: "Do I exhibit good OTW form while I erg? Regardless of erg scores??"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tQAv3vI-yw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ccptVCjD44&NR=1

If you wish:
Read these two blog entries (listed below) if you want to see how it's been going for me

I'm cautiously optimistic about my prospects of having a great HOCR.
You have nothing to show me that will make any difference, regardless of any future outcome on the erg.

The two following blog entries document my ability to go for 5k at 1:58 pace... OTW...

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=7679&b=66690

http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=7679&b=66701

Now you may not care to ever go 1:58 pace for 5k OTW in a single scull. I'm not saying that you should.
You should recognize that the issues involved with my erging are beyond your comprehension. (I write this mostly for readers other than you Rich)

I've been at this a while you know.
I love the erg, as you do, but I erg to row.

~regards,
Mike

Mike vB, Matt Gregoire, Lyman Delano, and Sandy Harris push off for the finals of the New England Championship 4s race (May 1970)

ranger · Post by **ranger** » January 31st, 2010, 2:54 pm

mikvan52 wrote:You should recognize that the issues involved with my erging are beyond your comprehension.

No, you are pretty wrong there, Mike.

The best OTW rowers are also the best ergers.

And I have exactly the same OTW amibitions as you, including the HTCR.

We are the same size and (pretty much) the same age.

At the moment, I am just not as experienced as you OTW.

Your physiological limitations are not just a liability on the erg.

They are also a liability OTW, especially over 5K.

To win, you need to rate 30, perhaps even 32 spm, at the HTCR.

But you can't, for the same reason you can't rate 30-32 spm for 5K on the erg.

See you at the races.

ranger