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Post by mikvan52 » January 28th, 2010, 8:55 am

ranger wrote:I'll do an easy 500m tomorrow @ 40 spm, just to loosen up for racing, nothing hard.

that would be 1:27.5.
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Age>500 m> 1000m> 2000m
30 > 1:24.5 > 2:57.8 > 6:06.4
40 > 1:24.7 > 3:01.0 > 6:18.2
50 > 1:24.2 > 3:03.3 > 6:25.1
60 > 1:29.9 > 3:16.7 > 6:42.5
70 > 1:38.4 > 3:29.1 > 7:13.4
80 > 1:41.1 > 3:47.2 > 7:42.0

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Post by ranger » January 28th, 2010, 9:20 am

If you pull 13 SPI, you only need to rate 40 spm to do a 500m in 1:27.5.

That's a cinch, although you are right: it's _way_ under the 60s lwt WR, which is right around 1:30.

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Post by hjs » January 28th, 2010, 9:28 am

ranger wrote:If you pull 13 SPI, you only need to rate 40 spm to do a 500m in 1:27.5.

That's a cinch, although you are right: it's _way_ under the 60s lwt WR, which is right around 1:30.

ranger
But again, you can,t do it, so again a no show from the mister Naydoer :lol:

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Post by mikvan52 » January 28th, 2010, 9:37 am

ranger wrote:If you pull 13 SPI, you only need to rate 40 spm to do a 500m in 1:27.5.

That's a cinch, although you are right: it's _way_ under the 60s lwt WR, which is right around 1:30.

ranger
So you are saying that as a 59 year-old lwt you are 2.4 seconds faster than a 60 year old WR holder going flat out while you are taking it easy?

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Post by aharmer » January 28th, 2010, 10:00 am

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Post by ranger » January 28th, 2010, 10:06 am

mikvan52 wrote:So you are saying that as a 59 year-old lwt you are 2.4 seconds faster than a 60 year old WR holder going flat out while you are taking it easy?
I repeat.

If you pull 13 SPI, as I do now, you only have to rate 40 spm in a 500m to go 1:27.5.

40 spm is a cinch.

Many lightweights pull 40 spm at the ends of 2Ks.

You rate 46 spm when you do a 500m.

Technique is important.

I used to pull 10 SPI like you.

So, I had to rate 52 spm to go 1:27.5.

No longer.

I have learned how to use my legs in proper timing and sequencing with my back and arms, all rhythmized into a smooth cycle, with good posture and preparation on the rail and solid footwork at the footplate.

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Post by mikvan52 » January 28th, 2010, 10:20 am

ranger, early this morning: wrote:I'll do an easy 500m tomorrow (Friday Jan 29) @ 40 spm, just to loosen up for racing, nothing hard.

If I pull 13 SPI, as I am, that would be 1:27.5.

58 strokes?
Now, a few hours later it's become " If I row at 13 spi and 40 spm..."

That's a quick change in a prognostication!

Why not put a HR MONITOR on so we can hear how you did it at UT2?

IOW: Why lie? We still don't believe you. Sayin'it don'na mak't so...&c.

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Post by ranger » January 28th, 2010, 11:35 am

mikvan52 wrote:Why not put a HR MONITOR on
Sure, I'll wear a heart rate monitor when I do the 500m tomorrow morning.

I always do during sharpening.

It is fun to see what my heart is doing--and important.

It's fun to be watching times and distances, too, after all these years, racing rather than training.

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Post by mikvan52 » January 28th, 2010, 12:06 pm

ranger to mikvan52 wrote: You rate 46 spm when you do a 500m.
Really:

I guess that it's pointless to convince you otherwise... But it's all in my blog... 3 years worth of (boring) data.. Still, the data is indispensable when it comes to you mendacity.
merely one week ago mikvan52 wrote: *2k warm up
. 7:46
* short sprints to get pacing ready
4x:30/:45r 1:40.5 avg pace 597+590 meters
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Heart of the workout:
Execution v 1250m/8:00 r.

8:11.1 - 2500 - 1:38.2 - 33
  • 1250m - 1:40.5- 32 spm
    . r. 8' 1383m
  • 0750m - 1:37.4 - 33 spm
    . r. 8' 1146m
  • 0500m - 1:33.7 - 36 spm
    . r. 8' 1309m

    . drag factor set at 108





What's your 500m lwt time at 36 spm (not 46) this year after doing two long intervals such as a 1250 plus a 750m ahead of it? :P

See my signature below?
There's a link to what I actually do. What a novel concept ! :arrow: :idea:
I encourage people who take ranger at his word to cross reference the ranking dates of my performances against my blog (where the details of each of such ranked workouts will be)
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To bad you've chosen to row against the open lwts at Boston this year. Takes a while for you to get to weight each day doesn't it? As you don't choose to face me, I suppose there's no point blowing smoke at each other here until 2012 when were in the same age group again.

Bye-bye, until 2012! Your ticket to get me back on any of your threads is achievement of any one of your stated goals in your signature as they stand today.
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Post by kini62 » January 28th, 2010, 12:20 pm

ranger wrote: 144 lbs. of non-fat body mass, 16 lbs. of fat.

ranger
I'll go out on a limb here. 16 lbs of fat. I didn't know your head was that big. But then again you seen to have an ego that puts Kobe to shame.

How bout posting some screen shots of your "really rowing well" training?

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Post by Byron Drachman » January 28th, 2010, 1:10 pm

mikvan52 wrote:
--snip--

To bad you've chosen to row against the open lwts at Boston this year. Takes a while for you to get to weight each day doesn't it? As you don't choose to face me, I suppose there's no point blowing smoke at each other here until 2012 when were in the same age group again.

Bye-bye, until 2012! Your ticket to get me back on any of your threads is achievement of any one of your stated goals in your signature as they stand today.
Hi Mike,
I see Ranger is registered for your race as well as the later open ltw race at Boston.
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Post by ranger » January 28th, 2010, 2:23 pm

kini62 wrote:
ranger wrote: 144 lbs. of non-fat body mass, 16 lbs. of fat.

ranger
How bout posting some screen shots of your "really rowing well" training?
I will do a 500m tomorrow, but only 1:27.5 @ 40 spm, given that I am racing Saturday.

Before the end of the winter racing season, I think I'll get to 1:24 @ 46 spm.

I'll also try to post a shot of (1) a maxHR during my interval workout, and (2) a warm up 10K, say, 1: 50 @ 24 spm, showing my HR.

1:50 is right around UT2 for me (145 bpm).

Can Mike even row 10K @ 1:50?

I don't know.

He would run a similar HR in a similar row, but for him, that is above his anaerobic threshold.

AT

For me, 145 bpm is not even low-end UT1.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

I am now running heart rates in the high 160s for an hour or so in my distance rowing, pushing up toward 170 bpm.

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Post by ranger » January 28th, 2010, 2:28 pm

mikvan52 wrote:What's your 500m lwt time at 36 spm
??

My goal is to do 2K at around 36 spm, not 500m.

No plan to pull 9.5 SPI doing it, though, like you and Rocket last year.

I am now pulling 12-13 SPI for 2K.

1:37 @ 31 spm (12.5 SPI) is getting _very_ comfortable.

That's probably what I'll try to do at Indianapolis.

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Post by chgoss » January 28th, 2010, 5:07 pm

ranger wrote: I will do a 500m tomorrow, but only 1:27.5 @ 40 spm, given that I am racing Saturday.

I'll also try to post a shot of
(1) a maxHR during my interval workout, and
(2) a warm up 10K, say, 1: 50 @ 24 spm, showing my HR.
I know I swore off the thread but this is just to much :D

Rich: You are going to post a pic showing
- 500m in 1min 27.5 seconds
- 10,000m in 36min 40sec (1.50 average pace)

is that what you are saying? Yes/No? I dont need any lecture about how easy it is, or how you did so an so back in whenever..

just yes or no.
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Post by ranger » January 28th, 2010, 5:37 pm

Yes.

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