6:28 2K

[ranger]

Just registered for WIRC, renewed my USRowing membership, signed a waiver.

I'll drive down to Indianapolis Friday afternoon.

I'll just train right through the regatta, continuing my distance rowing and sharpening Friday morning.

Saturday will just be a time trial, a first 2K of the year, to set a baseline.

Good session!



Weight is great.

Best it has ever been.

I'll have no problem making weight.

ranger

[snowleopard]

Paul Hendershott was _faster_ at 60 than he was at 55, and he was much more experienced during this period than I was.

Did his experience dwindle thereafter? How did you catch up?

I was only a few pounds over 165 when I pulled 6:29.7 four years ago

Oh boy that's a good one. 14lbs, 20lbs?

[ranger]

Paul Hendershott was _faster_ at 60 than he was at 55, and he was much more experienced during this period than I was.

Did his experience dwindle thereafter? How did you catch up?

I was only a few pounds over 165 when I pulled 6:29.7 four years ago

Oh boy that's a good one. 14lbs, 20lbs?

No.

I was at weight the next weekend at WIRC, where I made weight and rowed as a lightweight, albeit a bit too heavy to row well.

You can't lose 20 pounds in a week.

ranger

[whp4]

I was only a few pounds over 165 when I pulled 6:29.7 four years ago, without any distance rowing or sharpening, just on the basis of foundational training.

And about a month later, you showed that those few pounds didn't matter at all by rowing 7:04.3 at the world championship, having "successfully" weighed in.

I pulled 1:38 @ 31 spm for 1700m and then kicked it in for 300m, 1:34 @ 34 spm.

So you repeatedly tell us, but there is no independent record of this. What was the last significant performance you did at a venue with stroke data available?

So, no need to talk about ten years ago, when I wasn't even rowing yet, or even eight years ago when I didn't know how to row.

Or even this year, where you still don't know how to row!

My training has been perfect.

I am rowing right at my targets.

Rowing right at them, but the current of age keeps pushing you away...

[ranger]

I rowed the 6:29.7 as a heavyweight the week before WIRC in Baltimore, qualified for WIRC as a heavyweight (the qualification time was 6:32), and then made weight and rowed as a 55s lightweight in the heavyweight 55s race at WIRC.

If I had been able to get in a good race, say, another 6:29.7, I would have won the heavyweight hammer and broken the lightweight WR by over ten seconds--simultaneously.

ranger

[macroth]

If I had been able to get in a good race, say, another 6:29.7, I would have won the heavyweight hammer and broken the lightweight WR by over ten seconds--simultaneously.

ranger

But you didn't.


You seem to live your life in a barely factual past and a hypothetical future, simultaneously. Do you do the same when you're driving?

"Ten years ago, if I had taken a left on Roosevelt Dr., I would have hit that green light on Robson right on target and shaved 5 minutes off my commute. But I am a much better driver now. Next Saturday, I will avoid the pothole near the post office and drive at 30 mph for the last 6.5 blocks, thereby completing this trip in just under 34 minutes. That would be UNPRECEDENTED for a 2005 Ford...

****CRASH**** "

[mikvan52]

Saturday will just be a time trial, a first 2K of the year, to set a baseline.

Good session!

I applaud your good sense here. Build for Boston. Skip the 6:28 attempt in three days time.
It's interesting too that you'll be doing speed tomorrow and Friday. That's demanding for people our age.

Have you decided on a pace for you first 1k of the 2k on Satuday?

1:42/500m? Then build for the last 1000m to get a mid 6:4x time??

[bama]

whoever is going to be there this weekend please log on that night and update us all. Good luck to all

[whp4]

If I had been able to get in a good race

I'm perplexed by this. Weren't you saying just a few pages back that your superb training absolutely determines your racing?

Refresh our collective memory -- why were you not able to get in a good race? Competition wasn't fast enough, feet were frozen, couldn't find the drinking fountain, son kept you up drinking all night, wife wrecked the car, planes didn't fly, tree fell on your thumb, dentist noticed your teeth were shot, C2 conspiracy against you, couldn't find your hat, am I missing any? Oh, how could I have forgotten -- lack of muscle grease!

[snowleopard]

If I had been able to get in a good race

I'm perplexed by this. Weren't you saying just a few pages back that your superb training absolutely determines your racing?

Refresh our collective memory -- why were you not able to get in a good race? Competition wasn't fast enough, feet were frozen, couldn't find the drinking fountain, son kept you up drinking all night, wife wrecked the car, planes didn't fly, tree fell on your thumb, dentist noticed your teeth were shot, C2 conspiracy against you, couldn't find your hat, am I missing any? Oh, how could I have forgotten -- lack of muscle grease!

ranger has stated many many times that the 'race' element of erging has no bearing on outcomes. He has even taken that position to disparage fellow age group ergers who have themselves stated that if they had been in a race they would have gone faster.

[NavigationHazard]

And then there's the 'I'm already winning by 30 seconds, why should I go any faster' aspect to racing....

[Byron Drachman]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.
Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Rangeresque mathematics

[Nosmo]

Jan 25, 2010: I am just beginning to sharpen.
Jan 27: 2010: I now have seven weeks of sharpening.

Rangeresque mathematics

or Rangeresque language? perhaps

"I have seven weeks [to] sharpen(ing) [before my last race this year]

Looks like Ranger is seriously pissed off (he must be taking this much too seriously):
http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10103&start=19
and following posts

So what are the chances
1) Ranger will beat MVB's recent 6:47.5 this weekend?
2) chances Ranger beats MVB in Boston?
3) Chances Ranger goes under 6:40 at or before Boston?
4) Chances Ranger has DNF or over 7:00 in Indianapolis and Boston?
5) chances next years forum will have a thread virtually indistinguishable from this one.


My guesses:
1) 30%
2) 40%
3) 5% (I'd put that significantly less the MVB's chances of going sub 6:40)
4) 40%
5) 98%

This is going to be great fun to watch!

[NavigationHazard]

Bumped here from a thread where it had no business being:

Nav--

So what did you rate in your 6:28 2K the other day?

32 spm?

Rowing like a 60s lwt these days?

Pretty pathetic stuff for a big boy.

A quality heavyweight pulls 15 SPI at normal rates.

Where is that?

ranger

FYI I rated 30. Rowing in my sweats, without actually warming up (other than chatting with Flack and Bayko) or for that matter breaking one in my race. Which I won by 30+ seconds, sitting on 1:38s and doing the last 250m at 1:27-28.

As for 'quality heavyweight,' in my last 7 major indoor championships I've come home with one WIRC hammer and two bronzes plus two EIRC golds and a bronze. I leave it to others to decide whether that's 'quality' or not.

And as for any alleged lack of stroking power, here's the entirety of my 2009-10 C2 logbook:



You might notice the three ranked pieces. From shortest to longest they are the fastest age-group 500m piece so far this season, the fastest age-group 1k (under the old WR, and the second-fastest ever reported), and the 8th fastest ranked 2k of the season -- done at 24 spm. You also might look at the 3:06.5 1k r25 -- that's 17.3 spi. I'd recommend comparing them to yours, but of course you haven't any.

[ranger]

I'm perplexed

Well, that's no secret.

Nay-sayers like you are much more than perplexed by training, though.

You have no sympathy for it--the ethics, politics, psychology, and aesthetics of the whole affair.

So it goes.

But, really, with your attitudes and levell of understanding of things here, you should just give up and do something else with your time.

Hopefully, you have some talents elsewhere you can develop.

You're wasting your life here.

ranger