6:28 2K

[mikvan52]

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ALSO:

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[milkman21]

(just to be clear, the spray wasn't aimed at you)

And regarding your edit, *nods in approval*

[ranger]

I'll resume this exchange when you do (any one of your impossible claims: 6:28 2k etc)

Wow.

Let's hope that a 6:28 2K is not impossible.

I pulled 6:29 just a few years ago without even preparing for it, just on the basis on foundational training, no distance rowing or sharpening, when Rocket pulled 6:38, fully trained.

Sure, physiologically, I might have lost a bit since then, but it sure doesn't feel like it.

The last race I pulled in 2003 was 6:32, fully trained. Then I pulled 6:29 in 2006 without even preparing for it.

I'll be _very_ surprised if I do hard distance rowing, sharpening, and racing for six weeks and don't pull at least 6:28.

In fact, as I have mentioned, my hope is that I can pull 6:28 right now, with six weeks of hard training ahead of me to bring that time down from there.

I am much better technically than I was in 2006 when I pulled 6:29.

So you think (1) it is impossible to gain any time over 2K from distance rowing, (2) it is impossible to gain time over 2K from sharpening, (3) it is impossible to gain time over 2K from improving your technique, and (4) it is impossible to hold the line against age by hard, consistent training?

Yikes.

Then why do you train at all?

ranger

[JohnBove]

I pulled 6:29 just a few years ago without even preparing for it, just on the basis on foundational training, no distance rowing or sharpening, when Rocket pulled 6:38, fully trained.

Yet every time you race him he beats you and he not you holds the world record.

And in fact, as with everything you post, you're both lying and equivocating. There has been no year in the past half dozen or more that Roy has put in more training than you, or so you would have one believe. And you have sharpened numerous times over the past few years, as anyone with the necessary patience and stomach for your gobbling can see for himself in the archives. Unless, of course, you were lying then, rather than now. It's either one or the other (unless you've become so unhinged you can no longer tell which).

[DUThomas]

In fact, as I have mentioned, my hope is that I can pull 6:28 right now, with six weeks of hard training ahead of me to bring that time down from there.

Wow, if only there were a way to figure out if you could do it right now....

[snowleopard]

I pulled 6:29 just a few years ago without even preparing for it, just on the basis on foundational training, no distance rowing or sharpening, when Rocket pulled 6:38, fully trained.

You were a hwt when you pulled 6:29 and change. It was more like 6:30 actually.

Rocket pulled 6:34 as a lwt. Your best lwt 2K in the past seven years is what? 6:40+

What you fail to grasp is that your weight loss strategy is debilitating. You pulled it off just once seven years ago. You have not succeeded in doing it again.

You claim that your non-fat body mass is stable. It isn't.

When you attempt to drive your weight down to unhealthy levels you are losing muscle. And guess what, muscle isn't fat. You are depleting your non-fat body mass.

[drjay9051]

"I'm much better than that now" Ad infinitum.

Can anybody tell me if the Indianapolis races will be broadcast on the web? The site? I'd like to watch real time. If not when will results be posted? On what site?

Hey, Rich, you have a large pair of shoes to fill this weekend. BTW they are of your own doing. If you fill em with a 6:28 I'll be happy to give you congrats! If not maybe next week you will be "much better than that now".

[NavigationHazard]

It won't be broadcast -- there are only about 95 entries total, and the majority of them are novices. There are all of six men 50+ years old entered, all apparently rowing simultaneously in a composite race. FWIW, Indianapolis does not have separate LW categories except for Open men and women. Everyone else races together.

If what you're angling for is a plane ticket to Boston, Indianapolis has to be one of the easier venues to qualify from. Compare the Mid-Atlantic Sprints, also on 1/30, which has 1012 entries in all categories as of 7:30 tonight. The Florida satellite qualifier also typically draws 1000+ entries. Or even ErgoMania in Seattle which has around 285 this year.

[bloomp]

I assume Rich thinks he will get a spot in Boston due to one of his qualifying times. He hasn't registered for Crash-B's yet (at least not in the 55-59 lightweights, maybe he is still thinking he's 60).

The pressure is on apparently, he actually has to perform well this weekend or risk not making it to Boston.

[azuroff]

The pressure is on apparently, he actually has to perform well this weekend or risk not making it to Boston.

So is it this weekend when he smashes all the world records? (No, I haven't read all 2000+ messages in this thread)

[mikvan52]

Attn: All ranger fans:

bookmark the following link:

http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10099

It's intended for results only. Please keep "commentary" about our hero here on the "Speculatin' 'bout 6:28" thread.

This weekend's feature will be about Indianapolis.

We can post the facts about all the winter's 2k erg racing there also

Go Rich! I'm hoping Paul Randall will beat him though

[Alissa]

I assume Rich thinks he will get a spot in Boston due to one of his qualifying times. He hasn't registered for Crash-B's yet (at least not in the 55-59 lightweights, maybe he is still thinking he's 60).

The pressure is on apparently, he actually has to perform well this weekend or risk not making it to Boston.

Just to clarify. The Crash-B's are open to everyone. No need to qualify to participate. However registration closes at midnight (eastern time) on Feb 1st. For more details, see the Crash-B Site.

The qualifying times that everyone speaks of are qualifying times to be awarded a free flight to Boston (courtesty of Concept2).

HTH,

Alissa

[ranger]

I pulled 6:29 just a few years ago without even preparing for it, just on the basis on foundational training, no distance rowing or sharpening, when Rocket pulled 6:38, fully trained.

You were a hwt when you pulled 6:29 and change. It was more like 6:30 actually.

Rocket pulled 6:34 as a lwt. Your best lwt 2K in the past seven years is what? 6:40+

What you fail to grasp is that your weight loss strategy is debilitating. You pulled it off just once seven years ago. You have not succeeded in doing it again.

You claim that your non-fat body mass is stable. It isn't.

When you attempt to drive your weight down to unhealthy levels you are losing muscle. And guess what, muscle isn't fat. You are depleting your non-fat body mass.

Don't know where you are getting this stuff.

If my lightweight rowing is "debilitated," everyone else is stone dead.

Last year, I had all of the best lightweight 2Ks in my age and weight division by a large margin without even preparing for them, again, with no distance rowing or sharpening, really the _only_ type of training that folks such as Rocket Roy and Mike do on a regular basis, when they are not resting.

RANKING RESULTS 2009
Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–59) | 2009 Season

You are number 1 of 95

1 Rich Cureton 58 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.0 RACE
2 Rocketroy Brook 57 GBR 6:43.8 RACE
3 John Busk 55 Slangerup GBR 6:47.5 RACE
4 Mike Van Beuren 56 Annapolis MD USA 6:50.0 RACE
5 Brian Leonard Phipps 59 Rongotea Manawatu NZL 6:56.9 RACE
5 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 6:56.9 IND
7 Tor Arne Simonsen 58 NOR 6:57.3 RACE
8 Thomas Knight 56 newcastle on tyne GBR 7:04.5 RACE
9 Chris Betenson 55 IRL 7:04.8 RACE
10 Daniel DEVEZ 55 FRA 7:05.1 RACE

Without any preparation for it, just on the basis of a lot of rowing, say, 1:58 @ 20 spm, as Mike VB likes to do for low rate work, my guess is that he wouldn't pull a 2K under about 7:10.

In the race, his HR would go up to his anaerobic threshold, 143 bpm, and then start to struggle, because of his lack of threshold and anaerobic work.

At this point, he is going about 1:51 pace.

Then, on sheer guts, he might be able to hang on in the middle of the race, pushing his HR into AT, possibly even higher, but probably not very far, or if so, not very long.

With a good sprint at the end, he might pull the overall pace down to about 1:47.5, in and around his 5K pace, when he is fully trained.

With this kind of preparation, last year, I pulled a lwt 6:41 for 2K, 1:40.25 pace.

Given my age at the time, 58, that's pretty much WR pace.

Everybody gets about a dozen seconds each from distance rowing and sharpening, not just me.

Hey, that's why this is the dominant mode of training for a 2K.

You don't prepare for your best mile run on the track by doing a lot of long slow distance work.

That's absurd.

But for the last few years, I haven't been training to race.

I have been training what Mike likes to call "muscle memory" for technically good rowing.

Back in 2003, technique was my main weakness, so I have worked for several years, both OTW and off, to try to make it better.

I haven't been trying to race my best.

Why keep racing with weaknesses, if you can overcome them, if you concentrate on it?

Now, I row well, so I have turned my attention back to racing.

I don't know how long to will take me to fully capture the gains I have made through overcoming my technical weaknesses, but there have certainly been gains.

Once I get prepared fully for racing again, these gains will emerge in spades.

Without preparing to race, Mike VB would pull a 2K in about 7:10.

Fully trainied, he pulls 6:45.

There's the 25 seconds or so everyone gets over 2K from hard distance rowing and anaerobic intervals.

He is no different from me on this--or from anyone else.

Given where I am right now, in the middle of distance rowing and just starting some sharpening, Mike VB might pull 7:00 or so for 2K.

So, sure, it will be interesting to see what I can do, too.

This weekend, we'll see.

If I can rate even as high as 32 spm, I'll pull 6:28.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

I'll repeat.

A quality lightweight does top-end, everyday, UT1 rowing at 11 SPI and closer to 30 spm than 20 spm, e.g., at 10 MPS, 1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI), or even 1:40 @ 30 spm (11.7 SPI).

We row the same paces and rates at the same heart rates, but given my maxHR, at these speeds, my HR is 172 bpm, not 143 bpm.

That's what you need to do to win the Head of the Charles.

So, work to be done!

Hold that power in your stroke and raise the rate.

There is more than a bit of a gulf between 1:43 @ 29 spm and 1:54 @ 20 spm.

ranger

[snowleopard]

That's what you need to do to win the Head of the Charles.

ranger

What's the MaxHR of this year's HOTC winner and how does he train?