6:28 2K

[bloomp]

You have completely avoided my point. The dietary consequences to those that do skip an earlier meal are huge - they overeat later on. Or, it plays with your metabolism and causes glucose spikes:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/2 ... ing-meals/

You are nowhere near obese, so the potential gains mentioned in the article are bunk. And the fact you feel that you need to be at 9% body fat to be competitive is stupid. If you row well at 163.2, like your scale says then stay at that weight.

If any meal was 'healthy' to skip, it would be dinner. Both of my parents have found weight loss success with that method, and more power to them for doing it. I am not talking about the 'average' American though, I'm talking about you. If you were to keep up such a diet for a very long time, I'd predict you would become borderline diabetic because of how you'd be messing with your insulin release.

Whatever, you do what you think is right. But I figured I'd interject before you made a serious mistake or two.

[ranger]

You have completely avoided my point. The dietary consequences to those that do skip an earlier meal are huge - they overeat later on. Or, it plays with your metabolism and causes glucose spikes:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/2 ... ing-meals/

You are nowhere near obese, so the potential gains mentioned in the article are bunk. And the fact you feel that you need to be at 9% body fat to be competitive is stupid. If you row well at 163.2, like your scale says then stay at that weight.

If any meal was 'healthy' to skip, it would be dinner. Both of my parents have found weight loss success with that method, and more power to them for doing it. I am not talking about the 'average' American though, I'm talking about you. If you were to keep up such a diet for a very long time, I'd predict you would become borderline diabetic because of how you'd be messing with your insulin release.

Whatever, you do what you think is right. But I figured I'd interject before you made a serious mistake or two.

A long time?

No, I am not keeping this diet for a long time.

How could I?

I am 12% body fat but I am still losing about two pounds a week.

I will keep this diet for five more weeks.

That's it.

Then, I'll be 9% body fat and 158 lbs. (when I row in Chicago at the end of February).

ranger

[Steve G]

Rich
How do you know your scales are accurate, that type of reading is only a very rough guide. I am 140 lbs, mine say 16%, reckon I am nearer 10% but I dont need a machine to tell me, the mirror does that.
It will all end in tears for you!

Steve
59 True LW

[rjw]

Rowing doesn't have anything to do with talking, Kevin.

Again Rich, I'll bite. How did the 60 minutes go?

.....wait for it.....

Haven't done one yet.

Hmmm!

[ranger]

Rich
How do you know your scales are accurate, that type of reading is only a very rough guide. I am 140 lbs, mine say 16%, reckon I am nearer 10% but I dont need a machine to tell me, the mirror does that.

Steve
59 True LW

You mean, accurate about %body fat?

Doesn't matter.

The weight I am losing is fat.

I still have some to lose.

Given my erg sessions and cross-training routines, this loss is inevitable.

Fat is irrelevant to erging.

It doesn't make you slower or faster.

But it is much healthier to be lean rather than fat.

So why not lose it?

At 158 lbs., I will also be faster OTW (and other places, e.g., when I am running).

ranger

[Steve G]

Was that last weeks 60 minutes or this weeks?

[ranger]

I am rowing a couple of hours a day and cross-training a couple of hours a day.

About four hours in all.

A long 60min row is only half of what I do each day on the erg.

That's just a warm up for sprints.

Races are quickly approaching.

I am sharpening.

My goal is to try to get to 8 x 500 (3:30 rest), 1:34 @ 36 spm (11.7 SPI), this coming week.

That would predict a 6:28 for Indianapolis.

After Indianapolis, I will have another month of sharpening and racing to bring my 2K time down from there.

Stroke feels great.

I feel great.

No sickness, no injuries, no staleness, high spirits.

At weight.

All systems are go.

ranger

[ranger]

I suspect that Eskild does his 18K hour rows

That's a key difference between Eskild and you -- he does his rows, and doesn't talk about them, whereas you talk about rows you don't do...

No, not at all.

The major difference between Eskild and me at the moment is that Eskild is a 35-year-old professional OTW rower, with 20 years of OTW racing experience, expert coaching, and full-time support for his rowing efforts.

Eskild is (perhaps) the greatest OTW rower of all time.

I am a 59-year-old English professor, married, father of three, with many responsibilities elsewhere, no support at all for my rowing efforts, no OTW racing experience, and no coaching whatsoever, who didn't start rowing on the erg until he was 50, and who didn't start rowing OTW until he was 53.

Nonetheless, when all is said and done, I think it will be _very_ surprising if, 25 years from now, Eskild will match my lightweight erg times for 2K.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see, both for what I will do, fully trained, over the next couple of years, and what Eskild does, when he is 60.

If all goes well, I will certainly be around 25 years from now to see what happens.

Even if Eskild trains maximally for 25 years, the prediction is that he will pull around 6:36 when he is 60.

Eskild pulled 6:06 at 30.

If he loses a second a year over 2K, that would be 6:36 at 60.

Of course, even to do this, he would also have to stay at weight for 25 years, which is high doubtful, given his physique.

ranger

[mikvan52]

The major difference between Eskild and me at the moment is that Eskild is a 35-year-old professional OTW rower, with 20 years of OTW racing experience, expert coaching, and full-time support for his rowing efforts.

Eskild is (perhaps) the greatest OTW rower of all time.

Nonetheless, when all is said and done, I think it will be _very_ surprising if, 25 years from now, Eskild will match my lightweight erg times for 2K.
choke... puke
I suppose we'll just have to wait and see

Why wait?
You and he are so similar. Whenever the topic of great rowers comes up you and Elskid are always mentioned immediately . Just look at the similarities of your histories.

The uncanny similarity between ranger and multiple Olympic Gold medal winning Elskid Ebbensen

Age group history Ebbensen vs Rich “ranger” Cureton

Eskild Ebbesen
2003
1st in 30-39 lwt
at 30 years
6:08.7
IND………………………ranger 1st in his age group (50-54) too 6:30.0


2004
1st
31
6:06.9 (WR)
RACE……………………ranger 1st in his age group too 6:28.0 (WR)

2005 & 2006 (no rankings showing for Elskid but he wins a gold in Athens)…. No ranger times either (Graham Watt rows 6:25.8 at age 50)

2007
2nd
34
6:09.8 (3 seconds off his WR)
RACE……………ranger (also 2nd) reemerges with a 6:42.6 and “new stroke” aka “fixed” (14 seconds off his WR)
(Roy Brook sets 55-59 lwt WR at age 55 = 6:38.1)


2008
1st
35
6:09.0
RACE………..ranger (no ranking)

2009...Elskid gets gold in Beijing
1st
36
6:16.5
RACE……..ranger back in the saddle too with a 6:41.0… for 1st in his age group (Brook retains World title)

Summary:
Ebbensen goes from a best erg score of 6:06 to 6:16 (a ten second drop in 7 years) gets two gold medals
Ranger goes from a 6:28 to 6:41 ( a thirteen second drop in 6 years) wins an age group crown three times.

Rich: Couldn't one reasonably say that the "major difference" between you and Elskid Ebbensen is he has (is it 4?) Olympic Golds over 20 years and you have a couple of age group crowns?

[Byron Drachman]

I am a 59-year-old--snip-- no coaching whatsoever --snip--

Spoken as if refusing to take lessons and remaining ignorant of OTW skills were virtuous.

[NavigationHazard]

Eskild is (perhaps) the greatest OTW rower of all time.

ranger

Nonsense. He is good but not in the top 5 and maybe not in the top 10 all-time.

Kathrin Boron: 4 Olympic golds + 1 bronze; 8 FISA World championships from 1989 to 2001 + 5 silvers; also 4th in the 1x at the 1995 worlds.

Elisabeta Oleniuc-Lipa: 5 Olympic golds + 2 silvers + 1 bronze; also the 1989 FISA world champion in the 1x.

Sir Steve Redgrave: Golds at 5 consecutive Olympics (one of only four Olympians to do that); 9 FISA world championship golds + 2 silvers + 1 bronze.

Sir Matthew Pinsent: 4 Olympic golds; 10 FISA world championship golds + 2 bronze medals.

Itzok Cop: 1 Olympic gold + 1 silver + 1 bronze; 4 FISA world championship golds + 5 silvers + 3 bronzes.

Ekaterina Karsten-Khodovich: 2 Olympic golds + 1 silver + 1 bronze; if I count correctly 5 FISA world championship golds + 2 silvers + 5 bronzes.

For starters.

Eskild Ebbesen: 3 Olympic golds + 1 bronze; 6 FISA world championship golds.

[snowleopard]

Rich: Couldn't one reasonably say that the "major difference" between you and Elskid Ebbensen is he has (is it 4?) Olympic Golds over 20 years and you have a couple of age group crowns?

Mike

ranger is sufficiently deluded to believe that if, knowing what he knows now (auto didactically of course) and given his time again, he too could have had four Olympic golds.

Once you construct your own reality, nothing is impossible and hindsight morphs into history.

[ranger]

Rich: Couldn't one reasonably say that the "major difference" between you and Elskid Ebbensen is he has (is it 4?) Olympic Golds over 20 years and you have a couple of age group crowns?

Mike

ranger is sufficiently deluded to believe that if, knowing what he knows now (auto didactically of course) and given his time again, he too could have had four Olympic golds.

Once you construct your own reality, nothing is impossible and hindsight morphs into history.

No, my claim is clear and verifiable, albeit in 25 years.

No reason to distort it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Old men like ranger and me can sit around BS-ing.

Let's take a look at greatness in a lightweight crew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJKlTD9lf8k

no autodidacts here... I wonder why?

[ranger]

Eskild is (perhaps) the greatest OTW rower of all time.

ranger

Nonsense. He is good but not in the top 5 and maybe not in the top 10 all-time.

Kathrin Boron: 4 Olympic golds + 1 bronze; 8 FISA World championships from 1989 to 2001 + 5 silvers; also 4th in the 1x at the 1995 worlds.

Elisabeta Oleniuc-Lipa: 5 Olympic golds + 2 silvers + 1 bronze; also the 1989 FISA world champion in the 1x.

Sir Steve Redgrave: Golds at 5 consecutive Olympics (one of only four Olympians to do that); 9 FISA world championship golds + 2 silvers + 1 bronze.

Sir Matthew Pinsent: 4 Olympic golds; 10 FISA world championship golds + 2 bronze medals.

Itzok Cop: 1 Olympic gold + 1 silver + 1 bronze; 4 FISA world championship golds + 5 silvers + 3 bronzes.

Ekaterina Karsten-Khodovich: 2 Olympic golds + 1 silver + 1 bronze; if I count correctly 5 FISA world championship golds + 2 silvers + 5 bronzes.

For starters.

Eskild Ebbesen: 3 Olympic golds + 1 bronze; 6 FISA world championship golds.

_Rowing News_, as I remember, suggested that Eskild is the best OTW rower of the last decade.

No?

ranger