6:28 2K

[rjw]

snip.....

Heck, I haven't even been doing distance rowing, until the last six months.

OK - I'll bite.

What have you done in the last 6 months in any of the distance categories that would indicate a 6:28 let alone a 6:16.

.....wait for it.....

None of them!

As I am sure if you had they would have been ranked.

Training is not a performance.

Training is an opportunity to get better.

Racing is not training.

Race all you want.

Race everything.

It doesn't make you better.

ranger

The point is that you are quick to predict what you can do yet you have not done a timed distance piece, yet you base your predicted performance on them.

You also think that just because someone times a piece that they are racing.

I'll let you in on a little secret, just between you and me......this isn't the case!

[ranger]

You also think that just because someone times a piece that they are racing.

I'll let you in on a little secret, just between you and me......this isn't the case!

Then why time a row at all, if you are not racing?

Why not focus on something more important, such as relaxation, or breathing, or consistency, or how you are rowing?

If you are not racing, time is irrelevant.

It takes care of itself.

Row well. Relax. Work hard.

Forget the clock.

ranger

[ranger]

The point is that you are quick to predict what you can do yet you have not done a timed distance piece

Sure.

We all like to guess who is going to win the game and why.

I have _loads_ of evidence to support my predictions, as does anyone who might bet on a game.

So why not speculate?

Every stroke you take is evidence for how well you are doing, no?

If you row 20K a day, as I do, you take 2000 strokes a day, 60,000 strokes a month, over a million strokes a year.

That's a lot of evidence.

ranger

[chgoss]

The point is that you are quick to predict what you can do yet you have not done a timed distance piece

Sure.

We all like to guess who is going to win the game and why.

I have _loads_ of evidence to support my predictions, as does anyone who might bet on a game.

So why not speculate?

Closest I've ever seen you come to admitting you're claims are completely unsubstantiated..
progress!

[ranger]

Since this thread is about a 6:28 for you in the future, I wish you the best in getting there.

6:28 is my target for Indianapolis in a couple of weeks, not my target for the season.

I won't even start sharpening maximally until February.

My last race won't be until the end of February in Chicago, so I will have a whole month of maximal sharpening and as many as three more races to bring down the 6:28 I pull in Indianapolis to something more respectable.

During sharpening, I usually get a couple of seconds a week over 2K.

For instance, in 2003, I pulled 6:40 (at home), then 6:36, then 6:33, and then 6:30, in my races during late January and early February leading up to and including WIRC.

ranger

[chgoss]

The point is that you are quick to predict what you can do yet you have not done a timed distance piece

Sure.

We all like to guess who is going to win the game and why.

I have _loads_ of evidence to support my predictions, as does anyone who might bet on a game.

So why not speculate?

Every stroke you take is evidence for how well you are doing, no?

If you row 20K a day, as I do, you take 2000 strokes a day, 60,000 strokes a month, over a million strokes a year.

That's a lot of evidence.

ranger

Total meters as a 2k predictor.. interesting,, this guy could probably do like, what, a 5:59 2k?

Andrew Church 65 Northampton GBR
Meters so far this year: 10,302,098
Average daily meters 39,776
Projected meters: 14,518,401

[hjs]

Since this thread is about a 6:28 for you in the future, I wish you the best in getting there.

7:28 is my target for Indianapolis in a couple of weeks, not my target for the season.

I won't even start sharpening maximally until February.

My last race won't be until the end of February in Chicago, so I will have a whole month of maximal sharpening to bring down the 7:28 I pull in Indianapolis to something more respectable.

ranger

Fixed a typo

[ranger]

The point is that you are quick to predict what you can do yet you have not done a timed distance piece

Sure.

We all like to guess who is going to win the game and why.

I have _loads_ of evidence to support my predictions, as does anyone who might bet on a game.

So why not speculate?

Every stroke you take is evidence for how well you are doing, no?

If you row 20K a day, as I do, you take 2000 strokes a day, 60,000 strokes a month, over a million strokes a year.

That's a lot of evidence.

ranger

Total meters as a 2k predictor.. interesting,, this guy could probably do like, what, a 5:59 2k?

Andrew Church 65 Northampton GBR
Meters so far this year: 10,302,098
Average daily meters 39,776
Projected meters: 14,518,401

No, not as a 2K predictor.

Quantity of meters rowed as a source of personal evidence for how you are doing, whether good or bad.

Each stroke gives you evidence.

The more strokes, the more evidence.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

(snip)
I have _loads_ of evidence to support my predictions, as does anyone who might bet on a game.

Perhaps, althought the plural of "nocturnal emission" is not "children."

If you row 20K a day, as I do, you take 2000 strokes a day, 60,000 strokes a month, over a million strokes a year.

That's a lot of evidence.

ranger

If you row 20k a day in 90 minutes, as you've been reporting, you do it at an average 2:15 pace. That's also a lot of evidence, albeit leading to a conclusion you might not like.

[Byron Drachman]

Jan 13, 2009: I filled out my resitration for Chicago and the Record Challenge today. If I can beat Rocket Roy's WR, I can win another $1000 this winter indoor rowing season.

Er, ehm, you did not win $1000 previously so in the unlikely event that you win $1000, it will not be another $1000. When you say another $1000 that would mean that there was a previous $1000 that you won. I know that is pretty complicated for you but you lost $1000 in your bet with Henry, you did not win $1000 in your bet with Henry.

Shall I remind you again?

on Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:54 pm
Byron Drachman wrote:Then you will have no problem sending Henry a check for $1000 unless you verify your weight as a lightweight in a manner suitable to Henry and post a sub 6:40 2K with verification code before the end of this month.

Indeed I will.
Just as he will have no problem sending me $3000 when I win both the bets.
We are upstanding folks.
We pay our bets, if we lose.

April 30, 2009:
Yea, time has run out.
Oh well.
Don't much feel like doing a 2K, given that I still haven't sharpened for one.
2Ks hurt pretty badly if you aren't ready for them.
Hey, hjs, any possibility of modifying our $1000 bet along the lines of our $3000 bet?
A time extension would be _greatly_ appreciated.
That might be a squarer deal, given my situation (unprepared!).
I need to get sharpened up if I want to be doing 2Ks without a lot of grief.
Training is coming along great--but slowly.
Too slowly, it appears.
One last cry for mercy!

April 30, 2009: No one has to pay anyone anytthing until 11:59 p.m. Central Time, the end of my April.
It's only 9:45 A.M. right now.

[NavigationHazard]

Forgot to fix the errors, both spelling and logical:

Jan 13, 2009: I filled out my do-not-resuscitate form for Chicago and the Record Challenge today. If I try to beat Rocket Roy's WR, it will come in handy this winter indoor rowing season.

[chgoss]

Every stroke you take is evidence for how well you are doing, no?

If you row 20K a day, as I do, you take 2000 strokes a day, 60,000 strokes a month, over a million strokes a year.

That's a lot of evidence.
ranger

Total meters as a 2k predictor.. interesting,, this guy could probably do like, what, a 5:59 2k?

Andrew Church 65 Northampton GBR
Meters so far this year: 10,302,098
Average daily meters 39,776
Projected meters: 14,518,401

No, not as a 2K predictor.

Quantity of meters rowed as a source of personal evidence for how you are doing, whether good or bad.

Each stroke gives you evidence.

The more strokes, the more evidence.

ranger

Andrew Church looks like he's got double the evidence that you have.. that's a lot of evidence..

[leadville]

Ranger - I repeat - what makes you think you'll be racing the 60+ 1x in the HOCR the year you turn 60?

[rjw]

You also think that just because someone times a piece that they are racing.

I'll let you in on a little secret, just between you and me......this isn't the case!

Then why time a row at all, if you are not racing?

Why not focus on something more important, such as relaxation, or breathing, or consistency, or how you are rowing?

If you are not racing, time is irrelevant.

It takes care of itself.

Row well. Relax. Work hard.

Forget the clock.

ranger

Timing (I didn't say racing).of certain rows is an objective indication of performance.

Lots of times I have covered the PM3 and just had time or metres visible. I then row a (continual) piece by feel and at the end reveal the info. I have then used these types of sessions as a predictor.

I could also share other tangible predictors but you would "diss" them as irrelevant or as racing.

[Byron Drachman]

Ranger - I repeat - what makes you think you'll be racing the 60+ 1x in the HOCR the year you turn 60?

Hi Leadville,

In the past various people have informed Ranger that there is a blind draw for new people or for people who did not make the cutoff from the previous year in the regular events, so he should start applying now to increase his chances of getting in.

He absorbed that information about as well as he did the information about heart rates--water off a duck's back as they say. It would make interesting viewing if he ever got in. I have watched the webcasts and have never seen anybody row the way Ranger does at the HOCR.

Of course the whole discussion is strictly theoretical. Ranger will never participate in any OTW regatta, even a local, friendly one. He has been saying for years that he will be racing next summer.