6:28 2K

[hjs]

That can only mean that he is using muscle at an unprecedented rate.

It would help me a lot to lose some muscle.

I certainly don't need more strength.

At the moment, in strength, my stroke is as much as 3 SPI beyond my immediate composition.

ranger

sure

[snowleopard]

At the moment, in strength, my stroke is as much as 3 SPI beyond my immediate composition.

Of what are you mainly composed?

[chgoss]

The plane ticket isn't automatic. It's at the organizers' discretion whom to pick if there are more than 4 qualifiers (as at Long Beach last year, IIRC).

For the list of satellite regattas see http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/calendar/default.asp

Basically there are qualifiers in Denver and in Long Beach CA on the weekend of 1/24, then a group of them on the weekend of 1/30 and again the next week. The logical choice for someone coming from Ann Arbor would be Indianapolis on 1/30; failure there would still leave you Cincinnati on 2/07, though racing hard a week before Boston might not be the best strategy....

Qualifying time for a 55 MLW is 6:53.0.

So, here's what I think may happen, based on him being heavier (in % body fat terms) than last year at this time..
Indianapolis 1/30: wont go sub 7
Cincinnati 2/07: 6:52.9
CRASHB: scratch
March at some point: 6:43

[NavigationHazard]

Bull feathers and hot air.

None of the current world records except the 2k is "respectable"? Tell Pavel Shurmei to his face that his 2:41.9 1k at Tallin last year is disreputable. Or tell Rob Waddell to his face that you don't respect his 5k record of 14:58.3. Or tell Graham Benton that his 18,221m for 60' isn't respectable, since Mahe Drysdale clearly wasn't trying when he went only 18128m back in 2006. Or tell Danish Olympian Juliane Elander Rasmussen that her 22:18.8 5k as a 25-year-old LW isn't respectable. Etc. etc. etc.

That some of the big boys and girls are coy about posting results and/or don't bother to do the non-standard distances doesn't invalidate all the listed WRs across all the age and gender categories.

[mikvan52]

Hi Rich:
Glad you're happy this morning after having Nav' completely refute you.

Glad you can find it within you humble self to "grant" that you were wrong.

To answer your question:

Why not come out to Indianapolis, Cincinnati, and the other pre-WIRC venues and get in some racing?

Instead: Why don't you assure me that you'll race me in Boston this year?

Flying around the country to lesser contests is a thing of the past.

In the CO2 dowsed atmosphere we live in, to indulge in such frivolous activities is a crime against Mother Nature! C2's IND_V solves veracity issues in our modern age And how would I know you'd show?
No need to continue to blow smoke (lit. + fig.) into the atmosphere when you could settle all your pre-WIRC claims with one IND_V.

Remember too that I don't care how much you weigh before Boston.
Show me the 6:28 or 6:39... show anything instead of your arcane "if-then" equations.

For me: I'll be in Newburyport this weekend (note adept use of the underline) rowing with Bayko, Flack, Harrigan and others. Tom Bohrer's training schedule requests a time trial from me in the build up for Boston. The schedule says: "go out and row a 2k w/i 10 seconds of your 2k potential.

No matter what the result is, I'll post it in the rankings. So far in my build-up I've done 2 x 2k in 6:59 and 7:02 with an 8' rest in between. Can you report anything like that?

... smooth as "buttah!", isn't that what you say.

May I suggest a direct flight to Boston avoiding snow-belt stopovers?

[chgoss]

Hi Rich:
Glad you're happy this morning after having Nav' completely refute you.

Glad you can find it within you humble self to "grant" that you were wrong.

To answer your question:

Why not come out to Indianapolis, Cincinnati, and the other pre-WIRC venues and get in some racing?

...
For me: I'll be in Newburyport this weekend (note adept use of the underline) rowing with Bayko, Flack, Harrigan and others.

er, em,,, you forgot "Goss"..

[mikvan52]

In a 1x, an OTW 1K is much more like an indoor 2K than an indoor 1K, no?

IMHO:

The last word is correct... "NO"

Example:
I rowed eleven 1k events in four days on the water last summer at Camden, NJ.
I would not have been able to row eleven nearly all out 2ks on the erg in the same time frame. I had finals OTW last summer on all of the 4 days.


BTW: I still do time trials 2ks on the water... In the spring: when I coach some of our slower boats or in handicapped races, I depart 1st in a single and the sweep boats chase me down. I often have men's college singles with me too...
This is something I've done of and on over the last 10 years.

Doubtless, these experiences will be replicable by you when you start your OTW racing, DYK.
(doncha know)


- Mike van Beuren
1500m & 2k rower OTW in high school and college.
US Master's National age group champion at 1k OTW 2009

[mikvan52]

What are you going for this coming Sunday, Chad?

I'll be in Newburyport this weekend (note adept use of the underline) rowing with Chad Goss and others.

My bad!

[chgoss]

What are you going for this coming Sunday, Chad?

I'm going for the free coffee..

and, hopefully, a sub 7.. we'll see, been pretty erratic lately..

[mikvan52]

What are you going for this coming Sunday, Chad?

hopefully, a sub 7.. we'll see, been pretty erratic lately..

Let's cheer each other on!

[Nosmo]

So, here's what I think may happen, based on him being heavier (in % body fat terms) than last year at this time..
Indianapolis 1/30: wont go sub 7
Cincinnati 2/07: 6:52.9
CRASHB: scratch
March at some point: 6:43

Can we keep track of predictions?

I recall Mike saying something like ranger won't be lightweight at CRASH-B.

I think Chad is probably pretty close. But I'll predict a DNF in Indianapolis and 6:42 in march.

This could be fun. Perhaps we could come up with a prize for best prediction--not necessarily the most accurate --subject to forum vote.

[mikvan52]

Hard to wish the old coot well...
but I hope he gets a time that is his 55-59 best regardless of his weight.
Let's give him a fair chance at some form of redemption so he doesn't take his jacks and slink off to his basement, never to be heard from again.

He's couching his bets though... When I asked about his "flow chart", he didn't affirm that he'd continue with his timetable if he got a negative at the first branch of his decision tree.... "I'll just continue with my quest for my long-term (preposterous) goals" is what I heard. No: "I'll go for this season's goals anyway as advertised and make them!"

How about the rest of his loyal following? What do the rest think??

Let's be cognizant too that prof. ranger is a PHD (prefers handle down).

[ranger]

The plane ticket isn't automatic. It's at the organizers' discretion whom to pick if there are more than 4 qualifiers (as at Long Beach last year, IIRC).

For the list of satellite regattas see http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/calendar/default.asp

Basically there are qualifiers in Denver and in Long Beach CA on the weekend of 1/24, then a group of them on the weekend of 1/30 and again the next week. The logical choice for someone coming from Ann Arbor would be Indianapolis on 1/30; failure there would still leave you Cincinnati on 2/07, though racing hard a week before Boston might not be the best strategy....

Qualifying time for a 55 MLW is 6:53.0.

So, here's what I think may happen, based on him being heavier (in % body fat terms) than last year at this time..
Indianapolis 1/30: wont go sub 7
Cincinnati 2/07: 6:52.9
CRASHB: scratch
March at some point: 6:43

Here is what I think.

Before Indianapolis, as my best AT workout, 4 x 2K @ 1:40.

I don't care much what happens exactly in my first race.

It is just to get my feet wet.

I'll try to rate 32 spm and let the rest take care of itself.

My body fat at the moment is of no consequence.

The important thing will be my weight in three weeks (then four weeks, then five weeks, then six weeks, then seven weeks).

My weight is now coming down nicely.

I feel great.

ranger

[ranger]

It is interesting that the better indoor/club outdoor rowers seem to avoid long top-end UT1 rows (at the fastest, 2K + 10).

I think that these rows are the bread and butter of training for the 2K.

Level 3.

"Threshold"rowing.

A hard 60min is Eskild's favorite session.

Caviston likes to start at 12K and work up to 30K on these rows, just before WIRC.

Ambitious stuff.

I now go 1:43 @ 29 spm (10 MPS, 11 SPI) at my anaerobic threshold.

If that is 2K + 10, I'm delighted.

Stroke feels great.

ranger

[ranger]

prefers handle down

Over the last few years, while I have been learning to row, I have been racing 2Ks without preparing for them.

I have just been doing foundational rowing at low rates, fixing my technique.

When I have been fully trained, I have never been anywhere near handle down in a 2K.

I kick in the last 300m at 40 spm.

I have one of the steadiest racing records of anyone.

I race flat splits, right on my paces.

ranger