6:28 2K

[ranger]

And what's so special about the 2k distance?

Excelling in a 2K at the highest level requires balanced training, from 500m through a FM.

To excel in a 2K, you need effectiveness, efficiency, _and_ speed.

To excel in shorter rows, you can be effective and fast, but inefficient.

To excel in longer rows, you can be efficient, but ineffective and/or slow.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

So?

The standard C2 championship distance is what it is because it evolved out of an informal off-season competition for international-class athletes. The first distance was "5 miles" on a Model A, evidently a round-number approximation of a standard FISA course. When the B was introduced they switched to 2500m, as "the times were comparable despite the equipment change." [Crash-B website/History]. For roughly the next decade 2500m -- NOT 2k -- was the standard C2 competition distance.

In 1996, the standard C2 championship distance was changed to 2000m. In the words of the Crash-B website's History page, it was "to meet the specific training demands of international coaches who stress 6K and 2K rankings in the winter." Note the explicit reference to international OTW rowing. The main reason that the age-group distance also was set at 2000m was probably inertia -- I gather it didn't occur to anyone to bring it in line with Masters OTW rowing norms (standard 1000m distance).

Adaptive rowers race 1000m at the major C2 Championships. At BIRC and EIRC, the younger juniors also do not race 2k. Last I looked, they were indoor rowers too.

[ranger]

I gather it didn't occur to anyone to bring it in line with Masters OTW rowing norms (standard 1000m distance)

In a 1x, an OTW 1K is much more like an indoor 2K than an indoor 1K, no?

For someone like you, an indoor 1K is done 50 seconds/500m faster than an OTW 1K.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

What part of

1) the current 2k distance at C2 Championships is a post-1995 convention deferring to the demands of international OTW rowing; and

2) other indoor rowing distances can exist, have existed and do now exist, along with thoroughly robust records for them

don't you get?

[chgoss]

because history will repeat itself

Depends on what history you are talking about.

Depends on what conditions you claim are repeating.

When I have been fully trained up for racing, my history of 2Ks is spectacular.

I am happy to have that history repeat itself!

Now, I am also rowing well, another advantage.

I have always struggled to make weight on race day, so if I can arrange things so that I don't have to worry about it, this would be a further advantage, compared to my performances historically.

ranger

QFT

[chgoss]

well, of course the missing piece of information is this: how much excercise did you do, after waking up, prior to this?

Yes, I was patting my head and rubbing my stomach when I was standing on the scale, and that could have significantly affected what it registered.

I was also singing "Auld Lang Syne."

The updraft from the hot air coming from my mouth, which produced a marked upward torque on my face and head, certainly nullifies the significance of any reading on the scale.



ranger

Your %body fat on Jan 11 2009 was lower than your body fat % today. That's why you cropped that information out of the pic..
And, that's why you dont post the shot of what you weighed right after you woke up, prior to doing any excercise (as you said you would be doing).

After next Monday, before each of my morning erg sessions for the next six weeks, I will weigh in when I get up.

[detlefchef]

First day here. Happy to see that, regardless of the forum, you'll always find one loony around for amusement purposes.

[chgoss]

anyone know what the qualifying weight is, for a 55-59 LW, to get a free plane ticket to WIRC is?
what is it for HW 55-59?
What are the qualifying events between now and WIRC?

[NavigationHazard]

The plane ticket isn't automatic. It's at the organizers' discretion whom to pick if there are more than 4 qualifiers (as at Long Beach last year, IIRC).

For the list of satellite regattas see http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/calendar/default.asp

Basically there are qualifiers in Denver and in Long Beach CA on the weekend of 1/24, then a group of them on the weekend of 1/30 and again the next week. The logical choice for someone coming from Ann Arbor would be Indianapolis on 1/30; failure there would still leave you Cincinnati on 2/07, though racing hard a week before Boston might not be the best strategy....

Qualifying time for a 55 MLW is 6:53.0.

[ranger]

What part of

1) the current 2k distance at C2 Championships is a post-1995 convention deferring to the demands of international OTW rowing; and

2) other indoor rowing distances can exist, have existed and do now exist, along with thoroughly robust records for them

don't you get?

At the moment, there really are no respectable records for distances other than 2K on the erg.

Why?

Many people don't even log in their times for them, if they even do them.

For instance, the "official" Open lwt WR for 60min is 17.3 (or the like), but we know for a fact that folks such as Eskild do 18K.

Many of the indoor WR-holders don't care a whit about recording times at other distances besides 2K.

These other distances are just training pieces.

The race is 2K.

Sure, 2.5K would serve as well as 2K as a standard race distance, but it doesn't now and hasn't for almost 15 years.

This means that times for 2.5K have had a completely different evolution than times for 2K.

For indoor racers, 2.5K has now become a training piece.

ranger

[ranger]

The plane ticket isn't automatic. It's at the organizers' discretion whom to pick if there are more than 4 qualifiers (as at Long Beach last year, IIRC).

For the list of satellite regattas see http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/calendar/default.asp

Basically there are qualifiers in Denver and in Long Beach CA on the weekend of 1/24, then a group of them on the weekend of 1/30 and again the next week. The logical choice for someone coming from Ann Arbor would be Indianapolis on 1/30; failure there would still leave you Cincinnati on 2/07, though racing hard a week before Boston might not be the best strategy....

Qualifying time for a 55 MLW is 6:53.0.

I should be able to do 10 x 2K, 1:43 @ 29 spm, a standard UT1 session.

This is the kind of the thing I will be doing over the next three weeks to prepare for my first race.

Yes, I will race at both Indianapolis and Cincinnati.

I will also race at Chicago two weeks after WIRC.

ranger

[hjs]

well, of course the missing piece of information is this: how much excercise did you do, after waking up, prior to this?

Yes, I was patting my head and rubbing my stomach when I was standing on the scale, and that could have significantly affected what it registered.

I was also singing "Auld Lang Syne."

The updraft from the hot air coming from my mouth, which produced a marked upward torque on my face and head, certainly nullifies the significance of any reading on the scale.



ranger

Your %body fat on Jan 11 2009 was lower than your body fat % today. That's why you cropped that information out of the pic..
And, that's why you dont post the shot of what you weighed right after you woke up, prior to doing any excercise (as you said you would be doing).

After next Monday, before each of my morning erg sessions for the next six weeks, I will weigh in when I get up.

So although he is losing 1 pound of fat a day, his body fat % is still rising !!!!hahahaha.
That can only mean that he is using muscle at an unprecedented rate.


The man is a miracle

[ranger]

anyone know what the qualifying weight is, for a 55-59 LW, to get a free plane ticket to WIRC is?
what is it for HW 55-59?
What are the qualifying events between now and WIRC?

It is _very_ good for me to be at 165 lbs. three weeks before my first race, five weeks before WIRC, seven weeks before the end of the racing season.

Rocket Roy likes to be at weight for only two or three days, right before WIRC.

He is never at weight at any other time.

If I keep up my cross-training on the bike, I would guess that I will lose 1-2 lbs. a week from now until the end of the racing season, just by eating well and working hard.

It is hard to say what that will amount to as a total.

It will depend on what I need to eat to keep feeling strong.

But the overall weight loss should be substantial.

ranger

[KevJGK]

I should be able to do 10 x 2K, 1:43 @ 29 spm, a standard UT1 session.

Why oh why oh why do you keep on posting this complete and utter nonsense?

[ranger]

That can only mean that he is using muscle at an unprecedented rate.

It would help me a lot to lose some muscle.

I certainly don't need more strength.

At the moment, in strength, my stroke is as much as 3 SPI beyond my immediate composition.

An embarrassment of riches.

Mike VB and Rocket Roy both pulled an identical 9.5 SPI at WIRC 2009.

When all is said and done, I might well pull 12.5 SPI.

ranger