6:28 2K

[ranger]

Mikvan52: Just noticed your post on Tardieu......why was his record disallowed? I hadn't heard that prior to now, but then again, I'm not hooked into the indoor competition world so this may be common knowledge to you guys.

Disallowed?

No, it was allowed.

I (6:30, 6:29, 6:28) broke it--three times.

Then Graham Watt (6:25.8) broke my record.

Then Paul Siebach (6:25.1) broke Watt's record.

The record is now 6.5 seconds below Tardieu's mark.

Time marches on.

Records are made to be broken.

When I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, it will be quite a revision of the record books.

At the moment, the _40s_ lwt WR is 6:18.2

ranger

[ranger]

I don't see how it discourages ergo-exercise unless a reader is tricked into thinking we are talking about real workouts with a reported time associated with a distance.

There are lots of workouts besides these.

As I understand, Graham Watt doesn't like to race his training, either.

Like me, he just prefers to train in a loose fartlek format, rather than with fixed interval distances, times, and rest periods.

Watt has pulled 6:26 for 2K as a 50s lwt.

I have pulled 6:28 for 2K as a 50s lwt.

Mike VB has pulled 6:44 for 2K as a 50s lwt.

Last year, Mike pulled 6:50.

Hmm.

I suppose I should do some _real_ training so that I can get fast like Mike.



ranger

[mikvan52]

Mikvan52: Just noticed your post on Tardieu......why was his record disallowed? I hadn't heard that prior to now, but then again, I'm not hooked into the indoor competition world so this may be common knowledge to you guys.

I don't know for sure, or I've forgotten.
Historically, a number of French erg WR results have been ruled out.
Could it have been the weigh-in process?
Implementation of new rules about WRs at 2k (C2 has, in recent years, made it difficult for the French to stay at the forefront)
French women now erg faster than ranger ever did at any weight or age.

I bet NavigationHazard has the straight story.

I saw Tardieu race once or twice in Boston and he's the real thing. I recall that he was primarily a cyclist and that he blew his back out at CRASH-b one year... They virtually carried him off ~ it was that bad.

I last bumped into him at the Paris Open in 2007.. what a great guy.
Would he be about 60 now? I bet he could get the WR back. Perhaps he's enjoying his grandchildren instead....

[Byron Drachman]

When I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, it will be quite a revision of the record books.

I'm sure that will happen, just as I am sure you will be posting those ranked pieces starting tomorrow.
I'm flush with excitement and will probably have trouble sleeping tonight in eager anticipation of the first ranked piece.
What time will that happen tomorrow?
I hope the web site doesn't crash as all of your devoted followers, including me, log in to see the first piece.

[ranger]

When I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, it will be quite a revision of the record books.

I'm sure that will happen, just as I am sure you will be posting those ranked pieces starting tomorrow.
I'm flush with excitement and will probably have trouble sleeping tonight in eager anticipation of the first ranked piece.
What time will that happen tomorrow?
I hope the web site doesn't crash as all of your devoted followers, including me, log in to see the first piece.

You could just check in every week or so and get the information.

No need to pee your pants.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I don't see how it discourages ergo-exercise unless a reader is tricked into thinking we are talking about real workouts with a reported time associated with a distance.

I have pulled 6:28 for 2K as a 50s lwt.

Mike VB has pulled 6:44 for 2K as a 50s lwt.

Last year, Mike pulled 6:50.




ranger

Thank for the ribbing, Rich

I like to remember the time frames and the divisions for perspective>

1. Cureton 6:28 lwt 2003 50-59 (age 52)

2. van Beuren 6:45.1 2008 55-59 (age 55) {different division}

3. Cureton 6:41.x lightweight 55-59 2009 with no other 50-59 lwts in miniscule satellite race (he "hadn't sharpened")

4. van Beuren went for WR and blew up in 2009 at Crash-b (Cureton not there) Roy Brook is the current World Champion and WR holder since '06

Prediction: Cureton will not erg as a lwt a month from now in Boston.

There you have it:

[Byron Drachman]

I would like to choose that Rich's online behavior is a ploy or an act. He's sort of a gadfly who oversteps polite regions and lands on peoples softer parts. Witness his willingness to let people know that they 'aren't any good'... He doesn't really mean it, no matter how much he insists he does.
To stay in character he never says: " Oh, I'm sorry, did I step on your face!"

~Notice the absence of the young in these discussions: They see right through this lame banter; they see this thread as mostly made up of potentially dyspeptic older people interested in dreaming about unattainable erg scores.

Hi Mike,

That is a kind and generous evaluation of our favorite troll. I would almost agree with you that he is harmless and not to be taken seriously except for the matter of the bet, which crossed the line. The bet with Henry was for a substantial amount of money. Then pretending that the deadline for the one thousand dollars never existed, and the in-your-face

May 4, 2009:
I am sure that hjs is a stand-up guy who will pay his debts.

was offensive and more than harmless banter.

To save him the trouble, I will report that Ranger did pay his bet to me for a hat with value about fifteen dollars. That required some cajoling on my part, and he did try to avoid paying that by proposing a vaguely worded second bet, the outcome which would be determined by his judgment .

Byron

[KevJGK]

Many years ago I was a regular at our local snooker hall which had an unenviable reputation as a crooks hideout and was a thoroughly nasty place. A lot of betting went on, and now and then the stakes would get out of hand. Occasionally somebody new and stupid would bet with money they didn’t have which would only come to light when they failed to settle up at the end of their match. If they were very lucky they might be given 24 hours to come up with the cash plus interest and leave unscathed. Sometimes they would just get the shit kicked out of them. Usually for a lot less than ranger owes Henry.

I cringe at the thought of ranger trying his clever talk there to explain why he shouldn’t have to pay up because of blah blah blah.

[mikvan52]

The bet with Henry was for a substantial amount of money. Then pretending that the deadline for the one thousand dollars never existed, and the in-your-face

Henry is long suffering and realistic he knows you can only have a real bet with a gentlemen.
henry has won... it's over for Rich.. It's just another realm where RC has lost his credibility.

Thanks, Rich, for setting an example for us all on how not to be.

For the uninitiated:
I have had my share of aborted contests with Cureton:

the 2007 5k contest in which he failed to post a score. Mine was.
the "for the coaches only" era.

the 2008 2k "by the end of the calendar year" contest in which he failed to post a 2k time. I posted.

the 500m open rate/lightweight contest in which.... do I need to be pedantic?

the 2009 60 minute contest (same result)

Now, remember (I say with no sarcasm), I think that Cureton is faster at 2k than I am...
just not at a ligheweight 55-59 500m, 5k, 60 min... where I've prevailed.

If he's nearly 59 now he's had ample time to post and train and starve....

So: Once again, this thread is all about banter.
He has proven himsel to be what his is:.. He's the fastest current (2009) lwt welching 2k mark holder* in the 55-59 age group in which he is the only participant...

* Roy Brook (GBR) is the WR holder since 2006.

According to any ranger measure the WR mark would be at an effort below anaerobic threshold for him (!)

Go figure...

[ranger]

According to any ranger measure the WR mark would be at an effort below anaerobic threshold for him (!)

No reason to exaggerate.

No, I can't do 1:39.5 for 60min (i.e., below my anaerobic threshold).

I now do 1:43 @ 29 spm at my anaerobic threshold (high-end UT1).

That's UT1 for a 6:12 2K.

1:38 is AT

That's what I'll be working with over the next three weeks, working up to my first race.

I'll try to hold just above that in Indianapolis.

1:37 @ 32 spm

Then I'll try to kick it in at 36 spm over the last 300m for a pb.

A solid AT row.

ranger

[ranger]

Another hour on my bike.

I'll put in a couple more hours before I go to bed (and tack on a _very_ long ride tomorrow morning).

Then we'll see where my weight is.

ranger

[ranger]

Many years ago I was a regular at our local snooker hall which had an unenviable reputation as a crooks hideout and was a thoroughly nasty place. A lot of betting went on, and now and then the stakes would get out of hand. Occasionally somebody new and stupid would bet with money they didn’t have which would only come to light when they failed to settle up at the end of their match. If they were very lucky they might be given 24 hours to come up with the cash plus interest and leave unscathed. Sometimes they would just get the shit kicked out of them. Usually for a lot less than ranger owes Henry.

I cringe at the thought of ranger trying his clever talk there to explain why he shouldn’t have to pay up because of blah blah blah.

No clever talk.

If push comes to shove and I don't reach my goals, I'll give Henry tthe $1000 I will win at Chicago for breaking Roy's WR.

Then my wife won't kill me, and I'll live to row another day.



Then again, if I hit one of my targets, Henry will owe me $2000.

If I win the bet, I would be happy to let Henry redeem himself, though.

How about this?

If I win the bet but Henry breaks the WR in age and weight category by the end of this indoor rowing season (April 30, 2010), I'll excuse his debt.

ranger

[ranger]

When I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, it will be quite a revision of the record books.

I'm sure that will happen

Well, I'm glad to hear that you are sure.

It is helpful to have enthusiastic support from my fans.

I'm not sure at all, but I am indeed hopeful.

Looking good so far.

My foundational rowing is done; my weight is good; I am rowing right at my distance targets; and I am starting to sharpen.

Seven weeks until the end of the indoor rowing season.

ranger

[Rocket Roy]

What do you weigh today, now, this moment?

Tough getting below 170 lbs isn't it?

[Steve G]

Mikvan52: Just noticed your post on Tardieu......why was his record disallowed? I hadn't heard that prior to now, but then again, I'm not hooked into the indoor competition world so this may be common knowledge to you guys.

SNIP

I saw Tardieu race once or twice in Boston and he's the real thing. I recall that he was primarily a cyclist and that he blew his back out at CRASH-b one year... They virtually carried him off ~ it was that bad.

I last bumped into him at the Paris Open in 2007.. what a great guy.
Would he be about 60 now? I bet he could get the WR back. Perhaps he's enjoying his grandchildren instead....

I think his back went in Boston in 2002, my only trip there, he came to grief pretty early I think. I was at BIRC another year which was perhaps his comeback when his back went again, if I recall correctly.
My clam to fame is beating him over 1K at the Scottish Champs in Stranraer in April 2003 in the 50LW race. Although not at his best he won the 2K earlier in the day, I was 3rd. A few hours later it was the 1K, I went off hard and through 500 in 1.37, I died a thousand deaths that last hundred to beat Jean Paul by a fraction of a second, I clocked 3.17.9.

On the evening it was adjourn to the bar with Roadrunner, Wullie Brown, lots of Brits, Jean Paul and Mustapha who translated for us.
He ribbed John Paul all night during our long drinking session for getting beaten, John Paul was a bit of a character, I must dig some of the photos out to post, Happy memories especially walking back to our digs with Andy Brown and delving into some rather dubious pubs en route!
It would be good to see him make a comeback, the sport needs people like him.
Is the legendary video still around were he went head to head with Dennis Hastings in 2001? They were in a separate race, Dennis went first, then Jean Paul in a later race. Jean Paul finished, looked over to Dennis, mad a pointing gesture as if to say "your the man", priceless.
http://www.concept2.com/update/s2001/crashb.htm


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