6:28 2K

[leadville]

ranger -

we're not laughing with you.

[aharmer]

This is odd. A 12 hour bike ride? It's either complete desperation in an attempt to make weight, or a method of sabotaging oneself in order to have excuses for not making stated goals.

I for one would much rather see you row a kickass time as a heavyweight. Who gives a damn whether you're 165 or 170 if you row 6:20 as a 59 yo? Don't do something stupid to eliminate any chance you ahve.

In 2003, I rowed 167K one day at about this time of year.

A month later, I broke the 50s lwt WR.

Yep, the long row a month before WIRC really "eliminated any change I had."



Maybe you should actually do some stuff first before sounding off about these things.

Some of us here aren't just talkin'.

ranger

Funny, a 167K row is not considered training. You are always telling everyone that you set that WR without training or even knowing how to row. You tell so many lies it's now become impossible for you to keep up with them all. Maybe you should've started a DB, although I think evev MS Access couldn't store that much data in one DB.

Okay Rich, I'll start commenting again when I set a WR. Until I beat you, at your age and weight, I'm worthless right? I know a thing or two about endurance training even though I don't set WR's in rowing. You might even learn something from me if you weren't...well, you. The funny thing is I was the only person on this board that didn't consider you a complete ass. I wanted you to accomplish all of your stretch goals so you could shut everybody up. Boy was I snowed. You're all they say and more. Good luck with your 12 hour ride. Maybe you'll be able to go sub-6 with this one under your belt. Oh, and yes, I'm still slower, younger and heavier than you. Just wanted to get that out there so you didn't have to bother reminding everybody again.

[badocter]

Ah, but the WR for 80 year olds is 7:45..

so, if I can just hang in there for 33 more years, and not have my 2k degrade, I should be ok..

Alternatively, if I can just be standing up at 95, I can set that record.. there's none currently

there's hope yet..

Sorry to dash your hopes but oldest competitor at BIRC this year was John Hodgson at age 99 with a 2k of 12:21.0 (he is the current WR holder for the 90+ men with 9:28.1 he set in 2002). Look forward to him adding a record for 100+ men next year.

[stroke]

Ah, but the WR for 80 year olds is 7:45..

so, if I can just hang in there for 33 more years, and not have my 2k degrade, I should be ok..

Alternatively, if I can just be standing up at 95, I can set that record.. there's none currently

there's hope yet..

Sorry to dash your hopes but oldest competitor at BIRC this year was John Hodgson at age 99 with a 2k of 12:21.0 (he is the current WR holder for the 90+ men with 9:28.1 he set in 2002). Look forward to him adding a record for 100+ men next year.

Yes but he is much better than that now

[snowleopard]

ranger

You do realise that even if your 12 hour bike ride shows you at the weight you want on Monday your body fat %age won't have changed, don't you?

[ranger]

ranger

You do realise that even if your 12 hour bike ride shows you at the weight you want on Monday your body fat %age won't have changed, don't you?

The long ride is not to achieve any immediate effect but to take advantage of an opportunity made available by my training.

That is how you succeed in anything.

That is the only way that you succeed in anyhing.

By taking advantage of your opportunities.

Training is not at all about immediate effects but about expanding activities and capacities, made habitual and therefore, at some point, permanent.

As I have mentioned repeatedly, too, I don't really care about any particular race or season.

I am not preparing for some individual performance.

I am just trying to be the best I can be in a sport that I will participate in for the rest of my life.

ranger

[ranger]

I know a thing or two about endurance training even though I don't set WR's in rowing... Oh, and yes, I'm still slower, younger and heavier than you.

Well, then these clashing situations should interact and resolve themselves.

Apply what you know to you own rowing and do well.

We will look forward to your results.

Until then, there is no reason to believe you know anything at all about training, much less training for rowing.

ranger

[ranger]

I rowed a goodly number of meters the other day at 90-95% HR
I didn't sweat enough to leave a mark on the floor and my socks were barely moist.
How does sweat theory explain that? I was working very hard: 1:37.x avg/r.30 spm.

Same way.

You weren't working very hard.

If you did the 1:37 @ 30 spm over a continuous 5K and arrived at 90-95% HR at the end, then you would be working hard--and sweating hard.

If you were doing 100s or 250s 1:37 @ 30 spm and got to the 90-95% HR near the end of each repeat, then you are just bad, due to poor training.

You need to work harder on your foundational rowing so that your heart can get used to rowing well.

Your body is reacting violently to what should be a matter of course, pulling 13 SPI.

You need to row 50 million meters at 13 SPI and low rates, as I have done over the last few years.

Then your HR wouldn't be anywhere near 90-95% pulling some short little sprints, just because you are rowing well rather than poorly.

ranger

[ranger]

Rich is a good HW but an awesome LW. He will never accept rowing as a HW

I have qualified three times for WIRC as a heavyweight.

I finished 7th at WIRC as a heavyweight in 2002.

In 2003, I won the silver heavyweight medal at WIRC, when I set the 50s lwt WR.

Really, it doesn't make sense for anyone to row as a heavyweight if they can row as a lightweight.

Making weight is worth 20 seconds over 2K.

It is hard to get an extra 20 seconds over 2K from training.

That's an _enormous_ amount.

ranger

[hjs]

I rowed a goodly number of meters the other day at 90-95% HR
I didn't sweat enough to leave a mark on the floor and my socks were barely moist.
How does sweat theory explain that? I was working very hard: 1:37.x avg/r.30 spm.

Same way.

You weren't working very hard.

If you did the 1:37 @ 30 spm over a continuous 5K and arrived at 90-95% HR at the end, then you would be working hard--and sweating hard.

If you were doing 100s or 250s 1:37 @ 30 spm and got to the 90-95% HR near the end of each repeat, then you are just bad, due to poor training.

You need to work harder on your foundational rowing so that your heart can get used to rowing well.

Your body is reacting violently to what should be a matter of course, pulling 13 SPI.

You need to row 50 million meters at 13 SPI and low rates, as I have done over the last few years.

Then your HR wouldn't be anywhere near 90-95% pulling some short little sprints, just because you are rowing well rather than poorly.

ranger

Work hard in a the cold and you hardly sweat, do an easy u2 row in the middle of the summer and you run like a river.



week 2 in Jan, nothing produced what you dare to show here, the little engine that could

[ranger]

ranger -

we're not laughing with you.

You think that training is a laughing matter?

To each his own, I guess.

ranger

[ranger]

Work hard in a the cold and you hardly sweat

Not true, if the activity is extended and demands elevated levels of power, like rowing or riding a bike in high gear at 25 mph.

Even if it is cold, you sweat like a pig.

The heat is internal, not external.

It doesn't depend a whit on weather conditions.

ranger

[ranger]

week 2 in Jan, nothing produced

Interesting perspective.

If you aren't sharpening, you are not producing anything.

Entirely backwards thinking.

Sharpening doesn't produce anytthing.

It is just brings out the potential you have produced elsewhere.

In rowing, the only thing that generates speed, really, is your foundational training.

ranger

[hjs]

week 2 in Jan, nothing produced

Interesting perspective.

If you aren't sharpening, you are not producing anything.

Entirely backwards thinking.

Sharpening doesn't produce anytthing.

It is just brings out the potential you have produced elsewhere.

In rowing, the only thing that generates speed, really, is your foundational training.

ranger

Posted by Ranger: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: 6:28 2K

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If I continue this training, I think I'll pull an at-home, 6:28 2K by the end of the month.





Indeed something is backwards

[leadville]

I rowed a goodly number of meters the other day at 90-95% HR
I didn't sweat enough to leave a mark on the floor and my socks were barely moist.
How does sweat theory explain that? I was working very hard: 1:37.x avg/r.30 spm.

Same way.

You weren't working very hard.

If you did the 1:37 @ 30 spm over a continuous 5K and arrived at 90-95% HR at the end, then you would be working hard--and sweating hard.

If you were doing 100s or 250s 1:37 @ 30 spm and got to the 90-95% HR near the end of each repeat, then you are just bad, due to poor training.

You need to work harder on your foundational rowing so that your heart can get used to rowing well.

Your body is reacting violently to what should be a matter of course, pulling 13 SPI.

You need to row 50 million meters at 13 SPI and low rates, as I have done over the last few years.

Then your HR wouldn't be anywhere near 90-95% pulling some short little sprints, just because you are rowing well rather than poorly.

ranger

Let me see if I get this right. Ranger, whose OTW sculling, as demonstrated in his video, is worse than horrid, is telling Mike, an OTW LW1x and HW1x world champion, how to row.

Ranger, whose only chance at sculling glory is the Midwestern Fish Killing Championships, who has never ever ever done anything notable on the water besides beat it to a froth; who continues to demonstrate and document his complete ignorance of the science of exercise physiology; who, alone in the universe uses HR and sweat output as metrics of ability and comparative measurement.

Ranger, who insults others who have attempted to provide insight and guidance, and by his own admission can't/won't/is unable to learn from anything but his own trial and error.

Ahh, to live in RangerWorld, free from the constraints of logic, intelligence, couth, self-awareness, humility! Bliss indeed!

His mission on this earth is to entertain, as a jester or buffoon did in the Middle Ages, inspiring laughter by his every action and statement, by our every view into the domain that is RangerWorld!