6:28 2K

[rjw]

If you do anything that produces so much sweat that it sloshes around in your shoes (etc.), a liter an hour, you are working hard.

It ain't walkin'.

12 hours should be no problem at all.

That's only twice as far as I went today.

ranger

Actually it is an indication that you are sweating hard. Perhaps the room is too warm, perhaps you sweat easily. I always like to base my exertion on other indicators because sweating alone doesn't tell the complete storey.

[mikvan52]

...and how many calories are there in a kilogram of water

The kg. of water per hour is just an indication of the intensity of the work done.

If you do anything that produces so much sweat that it sloshes around in your shoes (etc.), a liter an hour, you are working hard.



ranger

maybe you are working hard but are you going beyond dehydration and diminishing your muscle glycogen reserves?

Really Rich:

A guy lying on the beach produces sweat... does he lose weight after he rehydrates?

The sweat theory of weight loss is bogus as it cannot be quantified.






Here's an example of why "shoes full" and you're working hard is imprecise:

I rowed a goodly number of meters the other day at 90-95% HR
I didn't sweat enough to leave a mark on the floor and my socks were barely moist.
How does sweat theory explain that? I was working very hard: 1:37.x avg/r.30 spm. If I do an hour at 1:51 pace I don't lose more than 2 lbs and that's only temporary until I rehydrate then I'm back where I was.
My day-in, day-out weight is virtually constant on 60k erg volume a week.

Look: We're both barking up the wrong tree here.

Your weight is just fine where it is. If you went to a lab you'd test low for body fat with the huge volume of exercise you do. Trash those goofy scales and get a real test to see what your body fat %age is... You're the self-professed multi-millionaire investment genius ~ so you can afford the $100 cost.

IOW: I think a lab test would show that you are in great shape, a virtual Wunderkind. I am in wonder that you can continue to do the exercise volume you've reported.


Now, as for times:
Any sustained effort undertaken at this point to reduce the amount of water in your body will only increase the time it takes for you to cover 2k on the erg.
A list of your times from RECENT years has shown us that.

Your 2008 6:37 as a hwt vs 2009's 6:41 as a lwt is one example.
AFAIK, you've always been faster as a hwt....during any 12 month period.

And as for that 6:16 (zounds!)

La-La land solution:
Why don't you do as my deceased mother used to council me when I was a runner.
"Mike, just run the mile a second faster each week until you're the world record holder?"

oops: I forgot the bee polllen and grated rhinoceros horn.......

[aharmer]

This is odd. A 12 hour bike ride? It's either complete desperation in an attempt to make weight, or a method of sabotaging oneself in order to have excuses for not making stated goals.

I for one would much rather see you row a kickass time as a heavyweight. Who gives a damn whether you're 165 or 170 if you row 6:20 as a 59 yo? Don't do something stupid to eliminate any chance you ahve.

[Nosmo]

This is odd. A 12 hour bike ride? It's either complete desperation in an attempt to make weight, or a method of sabotaging oneself in order to have excuses for not making stated goals.

Or just something to say to push peoples buttons, that he has no intention of doing.

I for one would much rather see you row a kickass time as a heavyweight. Who gives a damn whether you're 165 or 170 if you row 6:20 as a 59 yo? Don't do something stupid to eliminate any chance you ahve.

Agreed.
But he is not going to break 6:34 at any weight.

[ranger]

Rich
You backed out of your hundred mile ride a few weeks back, even though_it_was_with_breaks to change the CD every hour, how do you intend to do it through the night, position your pillow on the handlebars!

Which 100-mile ride did I back out on?

You mean this one?





ranger

[ranger]

If I do an hour at 1:51 pace I don't lose more than 2 lbs and that's only temporary until I rehydrate then I'm back where I was.

If I row that slowly, I don't sweat much, either.

UT2

Try the hour, 1:44 @ 27 spm.

That will get up a better sweat.

ranger

[chgoss]

I for one would much rather see you row a kickass time as a heavyweight. Who gives a damn whether you're 165 or 170 if you row 6:20 as a 59 yo?

But, thats' the problem, he does of course,
the HW record for 55-59 is 6:18 WHAT?????????????
the LW record for 55-69 is 6:38

Rich is a good HW but an awesome LW. He will never accept rowing as a HW.

[chgoss]

Do you realize that the World Record for 70 year old HW's is
6:56 point freaking 2

good grief..

[chgoss]

Ah, but the WR for 80 year olds is 7:45..

so, if I can just hang in there for 33 more years, and not have my 2k degrade, I should be ok..

Alternatively, if I can just be standing up at 95, I can set that record.. there's none currently

there's hope yet..


LOL

[Steve G]

Rich
You backed out of your hundred mile ride a few weeks back, even though_it_was_with_breaks to change the CD every hour, how do you intend to do it through the night, position your pillow on the handlebars!

Which 100-mile ride did I back out on?

You mean this one?





ranger

A week or two back, you said you had had enough at 3 hours, said it was extreme!

[ranger]

Rich
You backed out of your hundred mile ride a few weeks back, even though_it_was_with_breaks to change the CD every hour, how do you intend to do it through the night, position your pillow on the handlebars!

Which 100-mile ride did I back out on?

You mean this one?





ranger

A week or two back, you said you had had enough at 3 hours, said it was extreme!

Yea, training is like that, no?

The more you do it, the easier it gets.

Tomorrow, I will do 12 hours on my bike.

ranger

[ranger]

Your weight is just fine where it is.

Yea, where my weight is now, 164 lbs., is fine for rowing as a lightweight indoors.

But, hey, if I can get to 156.5 lbs. at 8% body fat, why not?

Then I will be a legitimate OTW lightweight.

According to _Rowing Faster_, the normal elite OTW rower is 8% body fat.

ranger

[ranger]

This is odd. A 12 hour bike ride? It's either complete desperation in an attempt to make weight, or a method of sabotaging oneself in order to have excuses for not making stated goals.

I for one would much rather see you row a kickass time as a heavyweight. Who gives a damn whether you're 165 or 170 if you row 6:20 as a 59 yo? Don't do something stupid to eliminate any chance you ahve.

In 2003, I rowed 167K one day at about this time of year.

A month later, I broke the 50s lwt WR.

Yep, the long row a month before WIRC really "eliminated any change I had."



Maybe you should actually do some stuff first before sounding off about these things.

Some of us here aren't just talkin'.

ranger

[rjw]

If I row that slowly, I don't sweat much, either.

UT2

Try the hour, 1:44 @ 27 spm.

That will get up a better sweat.

ranger

How would you know about the hour, 1:44 @ 27?

[kini62]

This is odd. A 12 hour bike ride? It's either complete desperation in an attempt to make weight, or a method of sabotaging oneself in order to have excuses for not making stated goals.

I for one would much rather see you row a kickass time as a heavyweight. Who gives a damn whether you're 165 or 170 if you row 6:20 as a 59 yo? Don't do something stupid to eliminate any chance you ahve.

In 2003, I rowed 167K one day at about this time of year.

A month later, I broke the 50s lwt WR.

Yep, the long row a month before WIRC really "eliminated any change I had."



Maybe you should actually do some stuff first before sounding off about these things.

Some of us here aren't just talkin'.

ranger

Funny, a 167K row is not considered training. You are always telling everyone that you set that WR without training or even knowing how to row. You tell so many lies it's now become impossible for you to keep up with them all. Maybe you should've started a DB, although I think evev MS Access couldn't store that much data in one DB.