6:28 2K
Yikes.
The internet is sure an oddly inverted world.
Mike, Paul, Roy, etc., myself included, compete frequently and openly, include a signature that shows what we can do on the erg, post videos of our rowing OTW, sign our posts with our real names, and so forth.
But folk like leadville and slowleper, who take knowling and dismissive attitudes toward these real performances and identities, include no signatures lines that say who they are or what they can do, post no videos of their rowing OTW or off, do not compete openly and often, and so forth.
Hey.
How about we make these conversations reciprocal?
Off with the masks.
Halloween has been over for months.
ranger
The internet is sure an oddly inverted world.
Mike, Paul, Roy, etc., myself included, compete frequently and openly, include a signature that shows what we can do on the erg, post videos of our rowing OTW, sign our posts with our real names, and so forth.
But folk like leadville and slowleper, who take knowling and dismissive attitudes toward these real performances and identities, include no signatures lines that say who they are or what they can do, post no videos of their rowing OTW or off, do not compete openly and often, and so forth.
Hey.
How about we make these conversations reciprocal?
Off with the masks.
Halloween has been over for months.
ranger
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)
My first regatta is Jan. 30th at Indianapolis.hjs wrote:When is you first race Dangy? or will you stretch that to 2011 Laughing
I am getting is pretty good shape for it, I think.
My cross-training is coming along well.
I have been doing distance rowing for several months.
And 'll try to get as many distance trials and other sharpening sessions in as I can over the next month.
Then I'll have another month of racing and maximal sharpening to push my 2K time down from there.
Is Rocket Roy in shape and racing, as I am?
If so, it will be a fun race at WIRC.
ranger
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)
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You said you would not sharpen before you rowed 6.28...............ranger wrote:My first regatta is Jan. 30th at Indianapolis.hjs wrote:When is you first race Dangy? or will you stretch that to 2011 Laughing
I am getting is pretty good shape for it, I think.
My cross-training is coming along well.
I have been doing distance rowing for several months.
And 'll try to get as many distance trials and other sharpening sessions in as I can over the next month.
Then I'll have another month of racing and maximal sharpening to push my 2K time down from there.
Is Rocket Roy in shape and racing, as I am?
If so, it will be a fun race at WIRC.
ranger

Roy is training for his cycling, you can read what he does in his blog. In full detail.
Fair point, but as you know some of us post our training and statistics openly and honestly on the UK site. Where in your signature does it show what you can do on the erg?ranger wrote: myself included, compete frequently and openly, include a signature that shows what we can do on the erg, post videos of our rowing OTW,
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Ranger - once again, you continue to conflate erging well with rowing well.
And you don't understand exercise physiology.
I attempted to politely point out that your desire to lose 10 pounds of fat in two weeks might very well be injurious to your health. You responded dismissively. Fine, you don't want helpful input, that's your choice, albeit an anti-social one. Re your insultingly phrased demand that I post video and erg results, I haven't made any claims about my ability or results on the water or on land because those are irrelevant to this discussion, which is all about you.
If your max HR is indeed 190 that is truly an amazing thing for someone of your age and avowed training state. Left ventricles get bigger with cvd training, and max HR declines significantly. If your heart rate is indeed 190, it means your left ventricle - you know, the one that pumps the blood to the skeletal muscles - is pretty small.
If Mike VB has a much lower HR it is very probably due to a high and consistent training load which has produced - among other results - an enlarged left ventricle.
I suggest you google 'left ventricular hypertrophy rowers' for more information. That might be difficult as it will require you to learn from others, but that's much easier than performing autopsies on athletes to figure it out for yourself.
HR in and of itself is meaningless. Stroke volume is more important, and the combination of the two is one component, albeit a major one of cvd fitness.
In the most current video I've seen of you rowing on the water, you row horribly. If you have more current video, post it. By the time you 'autodidactically' figure out how to scull you'll have been on the wrong side of the dirt for decades.
I repeat; when and where have you raced OTW, and what were the results. You claim to have learned how to row well, but to date all I can see is you've been able to turn in some pretty impressive results on the erg. You can sit on a stable machine indoors and work at a high level and produce good erg scores.
Ergs sink.
And you don't understand exercise physiology.
I attempted to politely point out that your desire to lose 10 pounds of fat in two weeks might very well be injurious to your health. You responded dismissively. Fine, you don't want helpful input, that's your choice, albeit an anti-social one. Re your insultingly phrased demand that I post video and erg results, I haven't made any claims about my ability or results on the water or on land because those are irrelevant to this discussion, which is all about you.
If your max HR is indeed 190 that is truly an amazing thing for someone of your age and avowed training state. Left ventricles get bigger with cvd training, and max HR declines significantly. If your heart rate is indeed 190, it means your left ventricle - you know, the one that pumps the blood to the skeletal muscles - is pretty small.
If Mike VB has a much lower HR it is very probably due to a high and consistent training load which has produced - among other results - an enlarged left ventricle.
I suggest you google 'left ventricular hypertrophy rowers' for more information. That might be difficult as it will require you to learn from others, but that's much easier than performing autopsies on athletes to figure it out for yourself.
HR in and of itself is meaningless. Stroke volume is more important, and the combination of the two is one component, albeit a major one of cvd fitness.
In the most current video I've seen of you rowing on the water, you row horribly. If you have more current video, post it. By the time you 'autodidactically' figure out how to scull you'll have been on the wrong side of the dirt for decades.
I repeat; when and where have you raced OTW, and what were the results. You claim to have learned how to row well, but to date all I can see is you've been able to turn in some pretty impressive results on the erg. You can sit on a stable machine indoors and work at a high level and produce good erg scores.
Ergs sink.
Rich: It seems that Byron and others have tried to help you with this following fact:ranger wrote: I am impossibly autodidactic.
ranger
No 100% autodidactic scullers have ever won the Head of the Charles.
It's the nature of the sport.
If I were 100% a.d. I would not need anyone to hold a video camera or comment on what I aspire to. Nor would I need comments about what I do in any forum whatsoever.


I agree with the posters here who point out that the erg is great but can be overemphasized if the goal is to become a great sculler.
If you look at my videos I think you might agree that my OTW form (as it continues to develop) is somewhat different than my erg form.
Hope all goes well with your training and racing and that we finally get to meet in Boston this year.
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American 60's Lwt. 2k record (6:49) •• set WRs for 60' & FM •• ~ now surpassed
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Since I have now done it many times, as have many others, I assume that you are wrong, not arbitrarily, but on the basis of the evidence.leadville wrote:I attempted to politely point out that your desire to lose 10 pounds of fat in two weeks might very well be injurious to your health.
Since you are wrong, your politeness is irrelevant.
But more seriously, since you don't reveal who you are, you are impolite.
So...
You are wrong and impolite.
Not very admirable.
ranger
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)
So you are saying this:mikvan52 wrote:No 100% autodidactic scullers have ever won the Head of the Charles
Every first is always a first?
Seems tautological to me, unless you assume there are never any firsts.
I assume you are not _that_ disregardful of the facts--or that naive.
ranger
Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)
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Yes you can! , you are one mouse click away. You have posted on the uk forum very recently, so you are able to have a look.ranger wrote:No, I can't.hjs wrote:Roy is training for his cycling, you can read what he does in his blog. In full detail.
ranger
I am loosing track of all the lies you are telling

On Dec 17, 2009 Ranger wrote: This year my weight has been in order since September.
On Dec 20, 2009 Ranger wrote: My weight is great, folks. Best it has ever been. I don't have any weight to lose at all.
On Dec 23, 2009 Ranger wrote: I'll lose five pounds or so before I race at the end of January. Standard stuff.
On Dec 26, 2009 Ranger wrote:Yea, I'll have to watch my eating during January, but if I do, I'll make weight easily, given my present training routines.
On Dec 27, 2009 Ranger wrote:if I just watch my eating a bit, here and there, I can lose a half pound of fat a day as I am preparing my weight for a competition.
On Dec 29, 2009 Ranger wrote: I will make weight easily this year.If I just watch my eating a bit, here and there, I can lose a half pound of fat a day as I am preparing my weight for a competition
On Dec 30, 2009 Ranger wrote:This year, I will be [at 160 lbs] over a month before WIRC
On Dec 30, 2009 Ranger wrote:This type of calculating doesn't have much to do with success in anything.chgoss wrote:It's simple:
- Weigh yourself first thing in the morning, every morning, before doing any excercise at all.
- See how much work needs to be done to get down to 165 lbs. If the race were to be held today, that's how fatigued you would be when you started the race.
- if your starting weight is going down day by day, you will have to do less and less work to get to 165.
by simply keeping track of that, you can see if you are on track or not.. simple.. no self deception.. no surprises..
It is just a bunch of artificially imposed clap-trap.
On Jan 1, 2009 Ranger wrote:A pound a day, and I'll be ready to play.
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So, if my resting pulse is 40 bpm, as it is, what is my stroke volume?leadville wrote:HR in and of itself is meaningless. Stroke volume is more important
ranger
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