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General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Post by hjs » December 28th, 2009, 7:09 am

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:Rangers first race estimates:

Hjs 6.56.7
Ranger 6:25.1 (at least)
No need to speculate this year, given that I will be doing distance trials and sharpening.

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I don,t need you the biggest NAY DOER of the forum to tell me what I need to do :lol:

You won,t do shit, that not speculation, that's a given fact.
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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 9:45 am

hjs wrote:you the biggest NAY DOER of the forum
Nay doer?

Not at all.

As it turns out, I do about three times as much training each day and race about five times as often each year as my immediate competition.

And I expect that this will continue to be the case far off into the future.

Can't do much more than that.

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 9:49 am

This morning: 100min erg, 100min bike

Moving toward 150min of each over the next two weeks.

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Post by bloomp » December 28th, 2009, 11:59 am

ranger wrote:This morning: 100min erg, 100min bike

Moving toward 150min of each over the next two weeks.

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Rich,

I really do not understand why you are so slow to do that 150 minutes of each! If it is really that comfortable to row at the paces you talk about, then why are you limited to 100 minutes? Just curious!

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 1:40 pm

bloomp wrote:
ranger wrote:This morning: 100min erg, 100min bike

Moving toward 150min of each over the next two weeks.

ranger
Rich,

I really do not understand why you are so slow to do that 150 minutes of each! If it is really that comfortable to row at the paces you talk about, then why are you limited to 100 minutes? Just curious!

Paul
Age?

Laziness?

Boredom?

Too much yukky sweat sloshing around in my shoes?

General unreliability and instability?

Pervasively overoptimistic assessments of what I am capable of at any given moment?

Palpable craving for another one of those smooth Holiday egg nogs?

Visions of sugar plums dancing in my head?

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Post by snowleopard » December 28th, 2009, 2:17 pm

ranger wrote:As it turns out, I do about three times as much training each day and race about five times as often each year as my immediate competition.
So how come you're so fat then?

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 2:41 pm

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ranger wrote:As it turns out, I do about three times as much training each day and race about five times as often each year as my immediate competition.
So how come you're so fat then?
So fat?

You mean why am I five pounds heavier than I was as a freshman (three-sport, varsity athlete) in college?

Calories in, calories out, I suppose.

Plus this:

I suspect that it is hard for 60-year-old men to maintain high levels of lean muscle mass, as I do, without some fat, much harder than for 20-30 year olds, perhaps even harder than for 40-50 year olds.

Sure, there are some naturally skinny 60-year-olds but they can't row worth a damn.

They don't have any strength.

Only 5% of 60-year-old males have 14% body fat (and, as I said, I would guess that most of these just don't have much strength).

35% of 20-year-old males have 14% body fat; 25% have 10% body fat; 10% have 7% body fat; 5% have 5% body fat.

I'll lose all of the fat I can over the next two weeks or so.

As I said, if I just watch what I am eating, I lose weight hand over fist.

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Post by snowleopard » December 28th, 2009, 3:18 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:As it turns out, I do about three times as much training each day and race about five times as often each year as my immediate competition.
So how come you're so fat then?
So fat?

You mean why am I five pounds heavier than I was as a freshman (three-sport, varsity athlete) in college?

Calories in, calories out, I suppose.

Plus this:

I suspect that it is hard for 60-year-old men to maintain high levels of lean muscle mass, as I do, without some fat, much harder than for 20-30 year olds, perhaps even harder than for 40-50 year olds.

Sure, there are some naturally skinny 60-year-olds but they can't row worth a damn.

They don't have any strength.

Only 5% of 60-year-old males have 14% body fat (and, as I said, I would guess that most of these just don't have much strength).

35% of 20-year-old males have 14% body fat; 25% have 10% body fat; 10% have 7% body fat; 5% have 5% body fat.

I'll lose all of the fat I can over the next two weeks or so.

As I said, if I just watch what I am eating, I lose weight hand over fist.
No, I mean why in your shirtless video nasty is your body heading south?

Not only do you look flabby, you are also lacking tone.

Hand over fist? You need to hand over the keys to the fridge and fast.

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Post by Rocket Roy » December 28th, 2009, 3:32 pm

Any rows done yet?

beaten that pesky 6.38.1 yet?
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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 3:39 pm

snowleopard wrote:No, I mean why in your shirtless video nasty is your body heading south?
You seem to be deaf and blind.

As erg times reflect, most bodies go south at about 30.

Next year I'll be 60.

Not much to be done about making a 60-year-old body look like a 20-year-old body, if that's what you think I should look like.

At the moment, my concern is much more with rate than weight.

Given my stroking power now, if I can pull 36 spm for 2K, I'll row 6:16.

Weight is irrelevant to that.

That breaks the 55s hwt WR by 2 seconds; the 60s hwt WR by 6 seconds.

I am very comfortable at 36 spm.

Given my size, that's my normal race rate when I am fully trained.

That's what I rated for 2K back in 2003.

So it's time to get excited and let it rip.

If I row a lwt 6:16 at 60, the question will not "why am I so flabby" but "how did a flabby 60-year-old man row under the lightweight erg standard for the US National Team and, at the same time, faster than any lightweight beyond their 30s."

Or this:

"How did a male WR-holder, 40-70, train himself to be so much better after so many years, when, up until now, all male WR-holders, 40-70, have only gotten worse--and then much worse--and then, much, much worse?"

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 3:52 pm

Rocket Roy wrote:Any rows done yet?

beaten that pesky 6.38.1 yet?
Just coming up on distance trials, Roy.

Then I'll sharpen for a month before my first race at the end of January.

I suppose we'll have to wait until then to get a first glimpse of what I can do for 2K when I am both fully trained and rowing well.

Official WRs have to be pulled in races, anyway.

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Post by snowleopard » December 28th, 2009, 4:21 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:No, I mean why in your shirtless video nasty is your body heading south?
You seem to be deaf and blind.

As erg times reflect, most bodies go south at about 30.

Next year I'll be 60.

Not much to be done about making a 60-year-old body look like a 20-year-old body, if that's what you think I should look like.

At the moment, my concern is much more with rate than weight.

Given my stroking power now, if I can pull 36 spm for 2K, I'll row 6:16.

Weight is irrelevant to that.

That breaks the 55s hwt WR by 2 seconds; the 60s hwt WR by 6 seconds.

I am very comfortable at 36 spm.

Given my size, that's my normal race rate when I am fully trained.

That's what I rated for 2K back in 2003.

So it's time to get excited and let it rip.

If I row a lwt 6:16 at 60, the question will not "why am I so flabby" but "how did a flabby 60-year-old man row under the lightweight erg standard for the US National Team and, at the same time, faster than any lightweight beyond their 30s."

Or this:

"How did a male WR-holder, 40-70, train himself to be so much better after so many years, when, up until now, all male WR-holders, 40-70, have only gotten worse--and then much worse--and then, much, much worse?"
I am neither deaf nor blind and my eyes and ears are younger than yours. I have seen the evidence in your video. You're out of shape porky.

Hmm, yes, porky pies. You must be eating them as well as telling them?

And when it comes to your achievements I hear nothing but silence. Or rather I hear a repetitive echo of bullshit that's as annoying as tinnitus.

Or does one just smell bullshit? Either way, one's senses are overwhelmed.

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 4:59 pm

snowleopard wrote:I have seen the evidence
You also seem to care more about the "look" of a stroke than what it does.

Misplaced values.

Or perhaps an expression of your own shortcomings and anxieties?

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 5:01 pm

snowleopard wrote:when it comes to your achievements I hear nothing
Just the opposite.

I am told you hear too much of my achievements.

There is no more to tell that you don't know.

So enough said.

See you at the races.

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 5:06 pm

snowleopard wrote:my eyes and ears are younger than yours
Clearly, given your naivite and deception.

Where are _your_ times, my son.

No signature?

No results?

No name?

Hmm.

I am told that trolls tend to be more active in winter and that they especially like the Christmas season.

:lol: :lol:

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