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Post by ranger » December 26th, 2009, 6:53 am

hjs wrote:How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row.
Not at all, I think.

Better yet, I think I might be disappointed if I don't break Siebach's 50s lwt WR in my first race.

Then I will have a month or so to bring my 2K times down from there.

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Post by hjs » December 26th, 2009, 7:28 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row.
Not at all, I think.

Better yet, I think I might be disappointed if I don't break Siebach's 50s lwt WR in my first race.

Then I will have a month or so to bring my 2K times down from there.

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"thinking" :roll: yeah right :lol:

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Post by ranger » December 26th, 2009, 8:58 am

hjs wrote:not a single row reported this season
There's not much to figuring out the best way to train for rowing.

You just row well.

A lot.

Usually at some leisurely pace.

So there is nothing to report.

Those who race their training don't know their ass from their elbow and burn out iin a flash.

Most get a bit better for a couple of months, then worse, and worse, and worse.

Most get sick, injured, stale, and disappointed.

Then quit.

I was four seconds under the lightweight WR in my first race.

Now, eight years later, I will be a dozen seconds better.

My goal now is to break the 40s lwt WR when I am 60.

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Post by chgoss » December 26th, 2009, 11:40 am

On Dec 17, 2009 Ranger wrote: This year my weight has been in order since September.
On Dec 20, 2009 Ranger wrote: My weight is great, folks.
Best it has ever been.
I don't have any weight to lose at all.
On Dec 23, 2009 Ranger wrote: I'll lose five pounds or so before I race at the end of January.
Standard stuff.
On Dec 26, 2009 Ranger wrote: Yea, I'll have to watch my eating during January, but if I do, I'll make weight easily, given my present training routines.
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Post by mrfit » December 26th, 2009, 12:48 pm

Any goals for age 59?

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Post by ranger » December 26th, 2009, 4:05 pm

mrfit wrote:Any goals for age 59?
Come what may, I guess.

The project has had the same goals from the beginning.

6:16 for 2K.

This season I think I'll pull a pb in my first race.

That's 6:28.

Then I'll just try to pull my time down from there.

Unknown territory.

The base is there.

We'll soon whether my distance rowing is there.

Then it is on to sharpening.

That will tell the story unambiguously.

The erg is a truth machine.

Da trut' so far has been that all WR-holders, 40-70, just get worse.

MUCH worse.

Quickly.

I am going to try to change that.

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Post by mrfit » December 27th, 2009, 6:03 pm

Are you doing the marathon trial before or after the 5k trial?

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 4:56 am

mrfit wrote:Are you doing the marathon trial before or after the 5k trial?
No set plans on my distance trials in terms of order, etc.

I just do what seems most productive for me at the moment, given what I am doing in training.

Ironically, I usually do a trial at some distance when I get mad an some inability and want to show myself that I can overcome it.

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 5:00 am

BTW, the great gift of a lot of 10MPS trainiing is learning how to get the rate up efficiently, that is, without much effort.

The ideal thing, I think, is to learn to rate 26 spm closer to UT2 than to AT.

Low UT1.

This is what Rocket Roy does for a FM: 26 spm.

The only difference between my practice and his is that I pull 1:44 @ 26 spm (12 SPI) and he pulls 1:54 @ 26 spm (9 SPI).

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 6:07 am

Given my quicker finishes and more work at higher rates, I seem to like a racing stroke now that is a little lighter than I thought I might, about 11.7 SPI, rather than 12+ SPI.

At my 2K target, that's 1:34 @ 36 spm.

Hey, that's what I rated back in 2003.

And that's what Rocket Roy rated at WIRC 2009.

Whaddya know?

Go figure.

Lots of 1:34 @ 36 spm (11.7 SPI) for the next couple of weeks.

At WIRC 2009, Rocket Roy pullled 1:41 @ 36 spm.

That's 9.5 SPI

Difference in rate from 1:34 @ 36 spm?

None.

Difference in stroking power?

2.2 SPI

At 36 spm, 2.2 SPI is 73.2 watts.

There's that seven seconds per 500m again!

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Post by hjs » December 28th, 2009, 6:16 am

chgoss wrote:
snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.

In a month he will be capable of something close to 6:20 leaving the two to three weeks prior to WIRC for honing his erging speed to international standard.
Thats correct and ranger would agree: to row a 6:16 in less than 8 weeks time, one would have to be actually "in" the sharpening epoch, which can only follow from having completed a 6:30 2k (or equivalent, using "pauls law", longer distance piece)
:lol:

Good to see that is again not a single row reported this season, vey consistant, so I can,t wait to see the results of his first race to comming in.

Will he show up at all?

Will the "naturall lightweight" who is on weight from september, be able to weigh in? or will he bulk up "all off a sudden" :wink:

How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row?. I think he be do better then last year, that was a 7.30 seasonstart.

Rangers first race estimates:

Hjs 6.56.7
Ranger 6:25.1 (at least)

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 6:28 am

BTW, if I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, that will be just 9.6 seconds slower than Eskild E.'s 30s lwt WR of 6:06.4, and so just about as close as you can come to the (scientfically determined) minimal physiological decline of .3 seconds a year over 30 years.

Nice.

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 6:37 am

hjs wrote:Rangers first race estimates:

Hjs 6.56.7
Ranger 6:25.1 (at least)
No need to speculate this year, given that I will be doing distance trials and sharpening.

In January,

if I do 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:41, you will be right.

if I do 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:33, I will be right.

if I do 5K at 1:49, you will be right.

if I do 5K at 1:41, I will be right.

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Post by hjs » December 28th, 2009, 6:48 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:Rangers first race estimates:

Hjs 6.56.7
Ranger 6:25.1 (at least)
No need to speculate this year, given that I will be doing distance trials and sharpening.

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I don,t need you the biggest NAY DOER of the forum to tell me what I need to do :lol:

You won,t do shit, that not speculation, that's a given fact.

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Post by ranger » December 28th, 2009, 7:03 am

hjs wrote:if I do 5K at 1:49, you will be right.
If I do a FM @ 1:48, that will be 8 x 5K (no rest) @ 1:48.

:shock: :shock:

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