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Post by chgoss » December 22nd, 2009, 10:32 am

snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.

In a month he will be capable of something close to 6:20 leaving the two to three weeks prior to WIRC for honing his erging speed to international standard.
Thats correct and ranger would agree: to row a 6:16 in less than 8 weeks time, one would have to be actually "in" the sharpening epoch, which can only follow from having completed a 6:30 2k (or equivalent, using "pauls law", longer distance piece)
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Post by hjs » December 23rd, 2009, 5:39 am

chgoss wrote:
snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.

In a month he will be capable of something close to 6:20 leaving the two to three weeks prior to WIRC for honing his erging speed to international standard.
Thats correct and ranger would agree: to row a 6:16 in less than 8 weeks time, one would have to be actually "in" the sharpening epoch, which can only follow from having completed a 6:30 2k (or equivalent, using "pauls law", longer distance piece)
:lol:

Good to see that is again not a single row reported this season, vey consistant, so I can,t wait to see the results of his first race to comming in.

Will he show up at all?

Will the "naturall lightweight" who is on weight from september, be able to weigh in? or will he bulk up "all off a sudden" :wink:

How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row. I think he be do better then last year, that was a 7.30 seasonstart.
If he rows I think he will just get below 7.00, lets say 6.56.7


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Post by ranger » December 23rd, 2009, 10:35 am

KevJGK wrote:
ranger wrote: If I do 4 x 2K @ 1:43, this predicts that I can do 6:36 when I am fully trained, not immediately, without sharpening.
I would disagree with you there.

If you were capable of 4*2000/10r @ 01:43 today you would alternatively be capable today of a one off 2K at 01:36.
That's what I thought back in 2003, too, but it turned out wrong.

I do 4 x 2K at 2K + 4, not 2K + 7.

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Post by ranger » December 23rd, 2009, 10:39 am

hjs wrote:How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row.
This year, we'll know long before I race, from my distance trials and sharpening workouts (8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, etc.), which I will do all January (and February).

I also do things like 20 x 500m @ 2K pace, paddle a 500m inbetween.

So that tells the story, too.

If I can get a 500m trial done in addition to a 10K, that tells the story _very_ exactly.

2K = (500m + 10K)/2.

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Post by hjs » December 23rd, 2009, 10:46 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row.
This year, we'll know long before I race, from my distance trials and sharpening workouts (8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, etc.), which I will do all January (and February).

I also do things like 20 x 500m @ 2K pace, paddle a 500m inbetween.

So that tells the story, too.

If I can get a 500m trial done in addition to a 10K, that tells the story _very_ exactly.

2K = (500m + 10K)/2.

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If ? hahahaha you can simply do them and I now for sure you do but we all for sure that you won,t post any result, just like the years 2004......2008 :lol:

I think is a very good season for you to fake an injuree and not race at all. That will save you a lot of embaressement.

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Post by ranger » December 23rd, 2009, 10:47 am

snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.
Well, I don't know about _that_.

But I _do_ think that hard distance rowing and distance trials alone, before sharpening, will take me to 6:28.

In distance trials, for pretty extended periods at the ends of pieces, you repeatedly push your HR to the max.

That gets you ready for doing sharpening--and 2Ks.

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Post by ranger » December 23rd, 2009, 11:49 am

hjs wrote:I think is a very good season for you to fake an injuree and not race at all. That will save you a lot of embaressement.
My distance rowing is already a whole collection of "results."

I just have to turn on the clock and record them.

I haven't done distance rowing since 2003.

I will sharpen in January.

I haven't sharpened since 2003.

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Post by KevJGK » December 23rd, 2009, 1:27 pm

ranger wrote: My distance rowing is already a whole collection of "results."

I just have to turn on the clock and record them.
ranger. Could you explain what that means? :?

It's almost as bad as "Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours." :lol:

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Post by hjs » December 24th, 2009, 6:21 am

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:I think is a very good season for you to fake an injuree and not race at all. That will save you a lot of embaressement.
My distance rowing is already a whole collection of "results."

I just have to turn on the clock and record them.

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sure :lol: you can see what pace/rate you are going but can,t see the totale endresult.

explain that. I know you are bad with math but If I know my pace/rate I know at any time my result. :lol:
There is a slight change you actually don,t know your results 100% sure, but It will be a great laugh again soon :D
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Post by ranger » December 25th, 2009, 5:44 am

KevJGK wrote:
ranger wrote: My distance rowing is already a whole collection of "results."

I just have to turn on the clock and record them.
ranger. Could you explain what that means? :?

It's almost as bad as "Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours." :lol:
This, for instance:

I now row 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.63 SPI), steady state, with a HR of 145-155 bpm.

So given my general fitness and other capacities, the game is won.

The rest of what needs to be done to reach all of my goals is just anti-climax--predictable, inevitable.

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Post by ranger » December 26th, 2009, 5:12 am

Once I get warmed up, for everyday rowing, I like 27 spm.

Base pace?

27 spm is a good rate for 60min/HM.

Of course, given a rate, how fast you are going depends on your stroking power.

27 spm comes out this way with respect to pace and stroking power.

8 SPI 1:57.5
9 SPI 1:52.9
10 SPI 1:49
11 SPI 1:45.6
12 SPI 1:42.6
13 SPI 1:39.9
14 SPI 1:37.5
15 SPI 1:35.3
16 SPI 1:33.2

For longer rows, my daily fare, I like to go about 1:44 when I am rating 27 spm.

So, about 11.5 SPI

1:44 is my 6K pb.

My goal this year for distance rowing is to do 1:44 @ 27 spm for 60min.

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Post by hjs » December 26th, 2009, 5:42 am

chgoss wrote:
snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.

In a month he will be capable of something close to 6:20 leaving the two to three weeks prior to WIRC for honing his erging speed to international standard.
Thats correct and ranger would agree: to row a 6:16 in less than 8 weeks time, one would have to be actually "in" the sharpening epoch, which can only follow from having completed a 6:30 2k (or equivalent, using "pauls law", longer distance piece)
:lol:

Good to see that is again not a single row reported this season, vey consistant, so I can,t wait to see the results of his first race to comming in.

Will he show up at all?

Will the "naturall lightweight" who is on weight from september, be able to weigh in? or will he bulk up "all off a sudden" :wink:

How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row?. I think he be do better then last year, that was a 7.30 seasonstart.

Rangers first race estimates:

Hjs 6.56.7
Ranger 6:25.1 (at least)
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Post by ranger » December 26th, 2009, 6:48 am

hjs wrote:Will the "naturall lightweight" who is on weight from september, be able to weigh in? or will he bulk up "all off a sudden"
Yea, I'll have to watch my eating during January, but if I do, I'll make weight easily, given my present training routines.

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Post by ranger » December 26th, 2009, 6:50 am

hjs wrote:Will he show up at all?
As it turns out, in the indoor winter season, from year to year, I race about five times am much as more major competitors.

That's a good margin, no?

Will _they_ show up?

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