Thats correct and ranger would agree: to row a 6:16 in less than 8 weeks time, one would have to be actually "in" the sharpening epoch, which can only follow from having completed a 6:30 2k (or equivalent, using "pauls law", longer distance piece)snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.
In a month he will be capable of something close to 6:20 leaving the two to three weeks prior to WIRC for honing his erging speed to international standard.
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chgoss wrote:Thats correct and ranger would agree: to row a 6:16 in less than 8 weeks time, one would have to be actually "in" the sharpening epoch, which can only follow from having completed a 6:30 2k (or equivalent, using "pauls law", longer distance piece)snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.
In a month he will be capable of something close to 6:20 leaving the two to three weeks prior to WIRC for honing his erging speed to international standard.
Good to see that is again not a single row reported this season, vey consistant, so I can,t wait to see the results of his first race to comming in.
Will he show up at all?
Will the "naturall lightweight" who is on weight from september, be able to weigh in? or will he bulk up "all off a sudden"
How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row. I think he be do better then last year, that was a 7.30 seasonstart.
If he rows I think he will just get below 7.00, lets say 6.56.7
And peeps don,t be shy, add your expectations...............
That's what I thought back in 2003, too, but it turned out wrong.KevJGK wrote:I would disagree with you there.ranger wrote: If I do 4 x 2K @ 1:43, this predicts that I can do 6:36 when I am fully trained, not immediately, without sharpening.
If you were capable of 4*2000/10r @ 01:43 today you would alternatively be capable today of a one off 2K at 01:36.
I do 4 x 2K at 2K + 4, not 2K + 7.
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This year, we'll know long before I race, from my distance trials and sharpening workouts (8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, etc.), which I will do all January (and February).hjs wrote:How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row.
I also do things like 20 x 500m @ 2K pace, paddle a 500m inbetween.
So that tells the story, too.
If I can get a 500m trial done in addition to a 10K, that tells the story _very_ exactly.
2K = (500m + 10K)/2.
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If ? hahahaha you can simply do them and I now for sure you do but we all for sure that you won,t post any result, just like the years 2004......2008ranger wrote:This year, we'll know long before I race, from my distance trials and sharpening workouts (8 x 500m, 4 x 1K, etc.), which I will do all January (and February).hjs wrote:How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row.
I also do things like 20 x 500m @ 2K pace, paddle a 500m inbetween.
So that tells the story, too.
If I can get a 500m trial done in addition to a 10K, that tells the story _very_ exactly.
2K = (500m + 10K)/2.
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I think is a very good season for you to fake an injuree and not race at all. That will save you a lot of embaressement.
Well, I don't know about _that_.snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.
But I _do_ think that hard distance rowing and distance trials alone, before sharpening, will take me to 6:28.
In distance trials, for pretty extended periods at the ends of pieces, you repeatedly push your HR to the max.
That gets you ready for doing sharpening--and 2Ks.
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My distance rowing is already a whole collection of "results."hjs wrote:I think is a very good season for you to fake an injuree and not race at all. That will save you a lot of embaressement.
I just have to turn on the clock and record them.
I haven't done distance rowing since 2003.
I will sharpen in January.
I haven't sharpened since 2003.
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ranger wrote:My distance rowing is already a whole collection of "results."hjs wrote:I think is a very good season for you to fake an injuree and not race at all. That will save you a lot of embaressement.
I just have to turn on the clock and record them.
ranger
sure you can see what pace/rate you are going but can,t see the totale endresult.
explain that. I know you are bad with math but If I know my pace/rate I know at any time my result.
There is a slight change you actually don,t know your results 100% sure, but It will be a great laugh again soon
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This, for instance:KevJGK wrote:ranger. Could you explain what that means?ranger wrote: My distance rowing is already a whole collection of "results."
I just have to turn on the clock and record them.
It's almost as bad as "Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours."
I now row 1:48 @ 22 spm (12.63 SPI), steady state, with a HR of 145-155 bpm.
So given my general fitness and other capacities, the game is won.
The rest of what needs to be done to reach all of my goals is just anti-climax--predictable, inevitable.
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Rich Cureton M 72 5'11" 165 lbs. 2K pbs: 6:27.5 (hwt), 6:28 (lwt)
Once I get warmed up, for everyday rowing, I like 27 spm.
Base pace?
27 spm is a good rate for 60min/HM.
Of course, given a rate, how fast you are going depends on your stroking power.
27 spm comes out this way with respect to pace and stroking power.
8 SPI 1:57.5
9 SPI 1:52.9
10 SPI 1:49
11 SPI 1:45.6
12 SPI 1:42.6
13 SPI 1:39.9
14 SPI 1:37.5
15 SPI 1:35.3
16 SPI 1:33.2
For longer rows, my daily fare, I like to go about 1:44 when I am rating 27 spm.
So, about 11.5 SPI
1:44 is my 6K pb.
My goal this year for distance rowing is to do 1:44 @ 27 spm for 60min.
ranger
Base pace?
27 spm is a good rate for 60min/HM.
Of course, given a rate, how fast you are going depends on your stroking power.
27 spm comes out this way with respect to pace and stroking power.
8 SPI 1:57.5
9 SPI 1:52.9
10 SPI 1:49
11 SPI 1:45.6
12 SPI 1:42.6
13 SPI 1:39.9
14 SPI 1:37.5
15 SPI 1:35.3
16 SPI 1:33.2
For longer rows, my daily fare, I like to go about 1:44 when I am rating 27 spm.
So, about 11.5 SPI
1:44 is my 6K pb.
My goal this year for distance rowing is to do 1:44 @ 27 spm for 60min.
ranger
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chgoss wrote:Thats correct and ranger would agree: to row a 6:16 in less than 8 weeks time, one would have to be actually "in" the sharpening epoch, which can only follow from having completed a 6:30 2k (or equivalent, using "pauls law", longer distance piece)snowleopard wrote:And let's not forget ranger will, indisputably, row a 6:16 at WIRC on Feb 14th. So he must be capable of rowing in the mid 6:30s without sharpening right now.
In a month he will be capable of something close to 6:20 leaving the two to three weeks prior to WIRC for honing his erging speed to international standard.
Good to see that is again not a single row reported this season, vey consistant, so I can,t wait to see the results of his first race to comming in.
Will he show up at all?
Will the "naturall lightweight" who is on weight from september, be able to weigh in? or will he bulk up "all off a sudden"
How much will he be above 6.28 in his first row?. I think he be do better then last year, that was a 7.30 seasonstart.
Rangers first race estimates:
Hjs 6.56.7
Ranger 6:25.1 (at least)
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Yea, I'll have to watch my eating during January, but if I do, I'll make weight easily, given my present training routines.hjs wrote:Will the "naturall lightweight" who is on weight from september, be able to weigh in? or will he bulk up "all off a sudden"
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